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The French are NOT intellectuals, nor are the religious, nor will they likely ever be. It's not due to intellectual traditions, but simply due to complexities within their culture and history, but to portray them as having intellectual traditions that necessarily reject religious faith is to misunderstand the French.
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Customarily you view anybody with "culture" as having rich traditions, especially if they are not religious. That is your bent or at least how some of us construe your bent. Even after 36 years, I can't still get a handle on the French, in light of colonial developments, warfare failures, intellectual and linguistic traditions, as well as tensions within Catholicism and Reformation, and French socialism. Additionally, there are many segments of French society and culture from Alsasse Loraine, Normandy, Loire Valley, to the Territories "Outre Mer", their relationships with Islam and conflict with Spanish and English. What is your perspective on the French traditions? Without researching it, where does the term "Noel" come from?
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Question: How many gears are on a French Tank?
Answer: Five. Four in reverse, and one in forward (in case the enemy attacks from the rear).
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I was merely replying to your suggestion that French education levels were a primary driver behind France's less than receptive response to the message of the restored gospel, and by extension, all religion. I suspect you agree that general French rejection of religion is a product of the complex interaction of a number of factors, including economics (Archaea touched on this) and religious history. French, as well as European experience with state religions (religious wars, The Inquisition, The Crusades, church meddling in political affairs in order to maintain wealth and power, direct correlation between noble birth and church hierarchy, etc.) has resulted in a fairly jaundiced view of organized religion and belief in God. This may be a good explanation as to why Americans, free of all this European baggage, maintain relatively high levels of religious belief, even among the more educated and wealthy classes. I can only relate my experience, simple as it may be, that the French (in general) view religion with suspicion and as the province of the weak-minded and those that are easily manipulated. I have been told that this thinking finds its genesis in The Revolution, where the First and Second Estates were stripped of their majesty and dominance over the lives of the common man, the ultimate rejection being the decapitation of Louis VI, the “divinely appointed” ruler of France. What followed was the subjugation of the church to the state and a progressive secularization of French society. You drive home the point: Quote:
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