03-04-2008, 09:18 PM | #1 |
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Is it more permissible to oppose the Beck talk
than the talk of an apostle?
Meaning, if you sign a petition protesting the Beck talk, are you less likely to be disciplined (probation, excommunication) than if you had signed a petition protesting the talk of an apostle? I think the answer is "yes", because the women speakers are not taken nearly as seriously by members of the church from the very top to the very bottom. It can be argued that no priesthood = no authority. Whether it is overtly admitted, or subconsciously accepted. I can't say that this is ideal or that I like it. But it appears to be the state of affairs. |
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I think you're probably correct in your assessment of the current state of affairs. |
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Time has a way of giving perspective. Most of us would now disagree with Mark E. Peterson's infamous speech entitled "Race Problems - How They Affect the Church". Yet in 1954 would any Mormons have dared to publicly oppose this quote? "I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after. He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage. That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, "First we pity, then endure, then embrace".... We are all fallible - even the GA's. I thought the April 2007 News Release addressing doctrinal statements was significant: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/...ormon-doctrine For those of an orthodox bent, keep in mind one of my favorite quotes from that release: "Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine" So much for Conference talks representing doctrinal pronouncements. Last edited by Requiem; 03-04-2008 at 10:50 PM. |
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03-04-2008, 10:39 PM | #6 |
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With all due respect to your esteemed status, yes. My powers of discernment are still developing. Also trying to decipher the implied meaning of "not putting trust in the arm of flesh".
You asking this question prompts me to inquire what your position is on the definition of what GA talks constitute doctrine? I would have thought your strident defense of Sister Beck placed you in the all believing category. Last edited by Requiem; 03-04-2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason: spelling |
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GC is a not always successful attempt to expound on existing doctrine (whereas CG is the inverse). Thankfully, we are still allowed to exercise free agency and distill for ourselves that which has personal relevance.
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The idea is to not take their counsel lightly and to prayerfully seek guidance in how best to (or not to) apply it. As opposed to, "The hell with THAT!"
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