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I have great memories of my grandfather and his stories and actual photos to teach me, I guess. He was not Omaha Beach, but saw his share of death and suffering in concentration camps and in small towns along the way.
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10-24-2007, 06:08 PM | #23 | |
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I dont think movies portray things realistically because they lack the critical emotional component of the subject being portrayed--that is, while showing people getting their head blown off can make you think, "Wow, that is awful. Our boys sacrificed everything for us at Normandy," I feel it is naive to think, "Wow, watching this movie is realistic. It is like being there. I get it...War is Hell." I think that does more disservice to the honor of those that were there and vomiting from fear than to assume that watching a movie and actually portrays any sort of reality. People that watch war movies do not suffer emotionally for the rest of their lives. Anyway, see any other good movies lately? I really want to see the new Steve Carrell movie because it looks like it may be funny.
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But I respect your viewpoint. Peace, brother.
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Nonetheless, I find myself on TripletDaddy's side of the movie debate. I'm not so sure that showing graphic violence in the quest of "realism" in order to better "appreciate" what happened is in our best interests. I'm not convinced that one can't fully appreciate the sacrifice without viewing the horror, nor am I convinced that depicting such horrors in their fullness effectively imbues that sense of respect. In some regard, I think it can even approach disrespect. Moreover, it opens up other worms. Shall we depict violent on-screen rape in its fullness in an effort to better appreciate the motives behind it? Child abuse? Torture? And what is the effect on children who inevitably will view these images? If the reality is so accurate as the proponents say, is it wise to force them on them? I don't fault Spielburg for making it, or anyone for wanting to see it, and if someone says it gives them deeper appreciation, fine. But I don't like the suggestion that my appreciation is inferior because I haven't.
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Just kidding. Peace to you and yours.
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The fact that literary and dramatic works depicting war and heroism and tragedy have had such permanent and transcendent power in our culture makes Lebowski's point. The Iliad may be THE seminal writing in our culture, since Greek and ultimately all Classical culture sprang from it, and we are their cultural progeny. If you don't like graphic violence stay away from the Iliad. Also, most of Shakespeare's historicals and tragedies should get R or NC-17 ratings for violence. Harold Bloom thinks that Shakespeare's works have replaced the Iliad or the Bible as our fouding epic.
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10-24-2007, 06:39 PM | #29 |
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Saving Private Ryan is awful after the first 15 minutes. Edited or not, it's not worth watching after the first 15 minutes.
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To this point, if any of you are ever in LA and would like a very wonderful museum experience (unfortunately not the Museum of Sex, which is on 5th Avenue), go check out the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance, which is basically the West Coast Holocaust museum. it is located about 10 mins from the LA Temple. While nowhere near the scale of the DC Museum, it certainly is worth the visit. You are assigned a name card of a Nazi prisoner (not always a jewish person, btw) and then proceed through a series of exhibits and short films that show pictures, artifacts, and most interestingly, actual interviews of concentration camp survivors. You are afforded the chance to learn a bit more about the life of the person whose name you are carrying through the use of computer databases. At the very end of the tour, you find out whether the person you were carrying survived or died. My person died. I wept. In one of the interviews, a survivor is asked about the importance of the work of the SHOAH foundation and of movies like Schindler's List. The survivor commented that the SHOAH foundation work is critical because it documents real people who were actually there. But he had never bothered to watch Schindler's List because he said, in essence, that no movie could ever match what he went through. There is also a MOT in NY, so if you are there, go check out the MOT and the Museum of Sex in one weekend.
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