08-29-2007, 07:15 PM | #11 |
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My answer is I have no idea what the ACLU would do on behalf of Christianity were Christians to find themselves in the minority. I do know that when a Mormon found himself in the minority in West Virginia, the ACLU took up his cause.
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08-29-2007, 08:05 PM | #12 |
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The problem with the ACLU is this...
They operate under the assumption that everyone can simultaneously exercise their civil rights. It's a load of crap. A right is not permission to do something, it is a restriction on the rights of others to prevent you from doing it. In other words, the only way to defend the rights of one is to infringe upon the rights of another. At some point there is going to be a conflict between rights. At some point the ACLU will find itself incapable of defending the rights of both sides. Then they will have to take a side and they lose the ability to claim neutrality. Whenever this happens, the ACLU is criticized by the other side. They tend to go liberal on most issues... That's why the right doesn't like them. The only way to avoid this would be to sit out some of the most heated battles. I don't think the sort of people who work for the ACLU are the kind who can sit on their hands when something about which they are passionate comes up. |
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Just because an organization who defends NAMBLA, and Purveyors of Porn might once in a blue moon defend a mormon doesn't mean they still aren't a sack of shit organization.
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No... Seriously... Think about it on a basic level. The only guaranteed "right" we all have is agency. We can act or be acted upon. The only way anyone can have a "right" other than that is by society deciding that someone else can not act in a way that interferes with that right. Your hypothetical property owner... Why does he have the "right" to that land? Why is his claim to that land superior to anyone else's? Why doesn't everyone have the right to use and occupy that property? It is because we as a society have agreed to collectively give up any right we may have to that land. We agree not to act in a way that interferes with his use of the land and allow him to control it and exclude whomever he choses. Short of that, what is to stop anyone else from coming on to the land and doing whatever they want? So you always have to pick sides... Some battles have already been won, the recognition of some rights so deep in our consciousness that we never even question which side to take. In those cases, there is no need for somebody like the ACLU. However, there are some cases where the line is not yet drawn. The missionary claims to have a right to the scholarship... Why? Why doesn't the school have the right to give the scholarship to someone else? It's their money... It's their school... It's because we (society) have decided that the school can't do whatever it wants with its money. They have to give up their right to make their own decisions and submit to our rules governing how they will make decisions. There are going to be times when two rights collide. Half of society feels that an unborn baby has the right to be born, the other half feels that a woman has the right to chose what she can do with her body. Both people can't win. I like to explain it this way... The only "rights" we have are those we are capable of enforcing. Take away society's approval, and the only rights I have are the ones I can defend by kicking the ass of the person who tries to infringe upon them. |
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Typical weak effort on your part, but Par for the course for you. Yawn.
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08-30-2007, 03:42 AM | #20 |
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The opposite of Magnum Trojan is "reknob" so how did you manage to ever procreate considering they don't make them inverted?
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