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Den of liars and cheats | 3 | 15.00% | |
Perfect acronym; I think of a funny farm | 2 | 10.00% | |
High powered academics doing ground breaking work | 1 | 5.00% | |
Honest advocates | 9 | 45.00% | |
Option 1 & 2 | 5 | 25.00% | |
Option 3 & 4 | 0 | 0% | |
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07-22-2007, 04:34 PM | #21 | |
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My mind is more open than it has ever been. I don't need the church to be true. I also don't need it to be false. Truth be told I would love nothing more than to have complete faith in the LDS church, it would make life much simpler. But I will have reason and order. Not feelings and herd mentality. |
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07-22-2007, 05:22 PM | #22 | |
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It's not easy having faith when one is a thinking person, but it's all about what one wants. I believe that if you really wanted to have the faith necessary, you would.
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07-22-2007, 05:43 PM | #24 | |
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07-22-2007, 05:45 PM | #25 | |
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I must be honest with myself and others, and the simple truth is that I believe the church is a good place with great people but it has no more right to claim "One and Only" status than any other Christian religious tradition. |
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07-22-2007, 05:47 PM | #26 | |
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I don't qualify under all those requirement, though I'm trying. Unless you can do that, it is a misrepresentation that you are devoted to logic and order. Your study is as haphazard as the next person, not a logical and thorough canvassing of the field. So spare us with your logical declarations. Other than reciting the rote words of disaffection, demonstrate your eruditiion in academic fields that matter.
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There are about three or four, but thanks for reminding me. Seattle wouldn't consider the Harvard Theological Review legitimate because it involves religion.
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07-22-2007, 05:59 PM | #28 | |
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This board's personality conflicts aside, (IMO) FARMS really is a lame attempt to "prove" academically what cannot be proven. The BoM is an issue of faith - take it or leave it. As an ancient historian, it bothers me that scholars at a large university can engage in such quasi-research. It's incestuous (they seem to only cite one another), and a disservice to the notions of faith that most Christian religions are founded upon. That aside, these scholars are free to write and publish what they will. I don't have to read them. What really gets me is Mr. Joe Member at church who pulls out the FARMS for a talk/lesson/comment and uses it to "prove" something to me. Yet, they refuse to accept any contradictory conclusions based on the same model of research and inquiry.
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07-22-2007, 06:03 PM | #30 | |
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I am not an intellectual because I have no mastery of those fields, and probably never will. Yet I intend to continue my discovery of philosophy, theology, archaeology, linguistics and language to aid in my understanding of the ancient world, its workings and impact upon us today. I just see a lot of pseudo-intellectualism, guys who claim to atomicists or empiricists without credentials or work.
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