What, exactly, is objectionable about "socialism"?

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

That's a whole different deal. I don't care about the source. (Note: this is the first time I've ever uttered those words.)

My point is that even if they could get all the anecdotal evidence in the world, or even if they could get a legitimate source like the actual stats on how many people die waiting in line (whatever that means) in Canada, they always conveniently omit the millions of Americans who have no place in line at all. Or the hundreds of thousands who die every year because of lack of proper treatment.

You hear or see this argument all the time, "but people will die while they're waiting!" Americans like to forget that people are dying here already.

The entire health care debate is one of lies and deception.

From those who advocate universal care, we have bloviated numbers of persons denied health care, or access, dying because of lack of insurance. Investigate the "sources" for these numbers, dig deeper and you can determine there are lies.

Then the opponents engage in the same sorts of chicanery. Nobody is being honest in this debate, and the ones who will be screwed are the consumers of it.

When Obama relies extensively upon Kaiser Permanente for his numbers, you know what angle he's heading at and what biases the documentation will provide. Why is this? Because managed care presumes they will be the major beneficiaries of universal care so they carry the water of proponents. It's one big circle jerk.