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jay santos · 02-17-2006, 06:28 PM

Here I rank the 19 BYU QB’s who have been “the man” for at least one season going back 20 years. I’ll categorize by Tier 1,2,3,4 (the greats, the almost greats, the goods, the not so goods).

The criteria: pass efficiency, winning percentage, scoring offense (I had this from ’79 on and was lazy and didn’t get the pre ’79 numbers).

How to handle longevity stats as criteria…I used longevity as a criteria only in the sense that two great seasons counts as better than one and three greater than two. But I didn’t count any career total stats. No one believes Timmy Chang (career yardage leader) is the best QB in NCAA history, and he probably wouldn’t be in the top 100 list.

Tier 1, the greats

1. Jim McMahon: Career PER: 157, seasons of 177, 155. Scoring offense rankings: #1, #1. Record: 23-3.

2. Ty Detmer: Career PER: 163, seasons of 138, 176, 156, 169. Scoring offense rankings: #13, #4, #2, #11. Record: 37-13-2.

3. Steve Young: Career PER: 150, seasons of 140, 169. Scoring offense rankings: #7, #2. Record: 19-5.

4. Steve Sarkisian: Career PER: 162, seasons of 150, 174. Scoring offense rankings: #36, #5. Record: 21-5.

Tier 2, the almost greats

5. Robbie Bosco: Career PER: 149, seasons of 152, 146. Scoring offense rankings: #2, #7. Record: 24-3.

6. Brandon Doman: Career PER: 152, senior season: 160. Scoring offense ranking: #1. Record: 14-2.

7. Gifford Nielsen: Career PER: 145, seasons of 140, 143, 156. Scoring offense rankings: ?. Record: 24-10.

8. John Walsh: Career PER: 148, seasons of 156, 143. Scoring offense rankings: #12, #26. Record: 16-9.

Tier 3, the goods

9. Marc Wilson: Career PER: 137, seasons of 148, 106, 147. Scoring offense rankings: ?,?,#1. Record 29-7.

10. Ryan Hancock: Career PER: 145, season 145. Scoring offense rankings: #16. Record 8-5.

11. Gary Sheide: Career PER: 139, seasons of 144, 134. Scoring offense rankings: ?. Record: 12-10-1.

12. Kevin Feterik: Career PER: 140, seasons of 144, 140, 139. Scoring offense rankings: #68, #37, #28. Record 23-14.

Tier 4, the not so goods

13. Sean Covey: Career PER: 131, seasons of 129, 130. Scoring offense rankings: #22,#13. Record 18-8.

14. Steve Lindsley: Career PER: 130, season 130. Scoring offense rankings: #39. Record: 8-5.

15. Charlie Peterson: Career PER: 126, season 114. Scoring offense rankings: #73. Record 3-4.

16. Bob Jensen: Career PER: 118, season 117. Scoring offense rankings: #22. Record 9-4.

17. Matt Berry: Career PER: 117, seasons of 121, 112. Scoring offense rankings: #87, #109. Record 5-9

18. Bret Engemann: Career PER: 109, seasons of 108, 109. Scoring offense rankings: #73, #87. Record 4-5.

Incomplete

John Beck: Career PER: 130, seasons of 129, 137. Scoring offense rankings: #67, #24. Record: 12-14.

The big question is where does Beck fit in? He has a chance to finish #2 in all time career passing yardage, so many will be tempted to put him in at the top when you make this list. But he also has a chance to finish #1 in career pass attempts, so high on the yardage list is a given.

Where does Beck fit in with the rest of these guys based on stats that don’t take longevity into consideration? If he never plays another game as a Cougar, I’d put him somewhere in the #12-#14 range. Obviously, he has a senior season left that could be very special that could put him much higher, with an outside chance to move into Tier 2.

02-17-2006, 06:28 PM	#1
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Ranking past BYU QB’s and Beck Here I rank the 19 BYU QB’s who have been “the man” for at least one season going back 20 years. I’ll categorize by Tier 1,2,3,4 (the greats, the almost greats, the goods, the not so goods). The criteria: pass efficiency, winning percentage, scoring offense (I had this from ’79 on and was lazy and didn’t get the pre ’79 numbers). How to handle longevity stats as criteria…I used longevity as a criteria only in the sense that two great seasons counts as better than one and three greater than two. But I didn’t count any career total stats. No one believes Timmy Chang (career yardage leader) is the best QB in NCAA history, and he probably wouldn’t be in the top 100 list. Tier 1, the greats 1. Jim McMahon: Career PER: 157, seasons of 177, 155. Scoring offense rankings: #1, #1. Record: 23-3. 2. Ty Detmer: Career PER: 163, seasons of 138, 176, 156, 169. Scoring offense rankings: #13, #4, #2, #11. Record: 37-13-2. 3. Steve Young: Career PER: 150, seasons of 140, 169. Scoring offense rankings: #7, #2. Record: 19-5. 4. Steve Sarkisian: Career PER: 162, seasons of 150, 174. Scoring offense rankings: #36, #5. Record: 21-5. Tier 2, the almost greats 5. Robbie Bosco: Career PER: 149, seasons of 152, 146. Scoring offense rankings: #2, #7. Record: 24-3. 6. Brandon Doman: Career PER: 152, senior season: 160. Scoring offense ranking: #1. Record: 14-2. 7. Gifford Nielsen: Career PER: 145, seasons of 140, 143, 156. Scoring offense rankings: ?. Record: 24-10. 8. John Walsh: Career PER: 148, seasons of 156, 143. Scoring offense rankings: #12, #26. Record: 16-9. Tier 3, the goods 9. Marc Wilson: Career PER: 137, seasons of 148, 106, 147. Scoring offense rankings: ?,?,#1. Record 29-7. 10. Ryan Hancock: Career PER: 145, season 145. Scoring offense rankings: #16. Record 8-5. 11. Gary Sheide: Career PER: 139, seasons of 144, 134. Scoring offense rankings: ?. Record: 12-10-1. 12. Kevin Feterik: Career PER: 140, seasons of 144, 140, 139. Scoring offense rankings: #68, #37, #28. Record 23-14. Tier 4, the not so goods 13. Sean Covey: Career PER: 131, seasons of 129, 130. Scoring offense rankings: #22,#13. Record 18-8. 14. Steve Lindsley: Career PER: 130, season 130. Scoring offense rankings: #39. Record: 8-5. 15. Charlie Peterson: Career PER: 126, season 114. Scoring offense rankings: #73. Record 3-4. 16. Bob Jensen: Career PER: 118, season 117. Scoring offense rankings: #22. Record 9-4. 17. Matt Berry: Career PER: 117, seasons of 121, 112. Scoring offense rankings: #87, #109. Record 5-9 18. Bret Engemann: Career PER: 109, seasons of 108, 109. Scoring offense rankings: #73, #87. Record 4-5. Incomplete John Beck: Career PER: 130, seasons of 129, 137. Scoring offense rankings: #67, #24. Record: 12-14. The big question is where does Beck fit in? He has a chance to finish #2 in all time career passing yardage, so many will be tempted to put him in at the top when you make this list. But he also has a chance to finish #1 in career pass attempts, so high on the yardage list is a given. Where does Beck fit in with the rest of these guys based on stats that don’t take longevity into consideration? If he never plays another game as a Cougar, I’d put him somewhere in the #12-#14 range. Obviously, he has a senior season left that could be very special that could put him much higher, with an outside chance to move into Tier 2.