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YOhio · 02-20-2008, 05:17 AM

The only way she can win is by blowing up the Dem party, calling in every favor, strongarming superdelegates, and forcing the party to accept Michigan and Florida delegates. I don't think there is any way she can win the nomination and the general election. The collateral damage would be too great. Man I hope this happens.

Detroitdad · 02-20-2008, 05:33 AM

I am afraid you are right. The Democratic party commits suicide once again. When you let the fringes do the talking you end up with crappy candidates (like John Kerry) and IMO Barack Obama.

BarbaraGordon · 02-20-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detroitdad

I am afraid you are right. The Democratic party commits suicide once again. When you let the fringes do the talking you end up with crappy candidates (like John Kerry) and IMO Barack Obama.

Yeah. It was a close call, but the Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.

Who in the world would have thought the GOP could hold onto the White House? It's still not a given, obviously, but the more I research Obama's legislative history, the more I realize he's got, in those immortal words, "a lot of 'splainin' to do." On the other hand, I don't think the Dems could have won with Hillary. The red voters would have turned out in droves just to keep her out.

McCain's has weaknesses, too. There's his age and his inability to speak coherently. Although if the media continues to spin Obama's rhetorical powers as a negative, the latter could actually work in McCain's favor. The real weakness I see for McCain is that at this point he's making even Romney envious with all his flip-flopping; and instead of the maverick willing to stand up to the party, he's sounding more and more like just another war-mongering neocon. Last week he even reversed his stance on enhanced interrogation, which I never could have imagined him doing. And what's this with the 100 years war? That won't play well.

But Obama has provided McCain's campaign with tons of fodder. McCain should be able to pull off the win if he gets a little help from the architects of the swiftboating attack.

YOhio · 02-20-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Who in the world would have thought the GOP could hold onto the White House? It's still not a given, obviously, but the more I research Obama's legislative history, the more I realize he's got, in those immortal words, "a lot of 'splainin' to do." On the other hand, I don't think the Dems could have won with Hillary. The red voters would have turned out in droves just to keep her out.

Obama's legislative accomplishments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...s_n_87493.html

MikeWaters · 02-20-2008, 02:09 PM

I can't name any of Hillary's accomplishments. I'm sure there is something in her record someone could think of as an accomplishment, but I am not aware of it.

Indy Coug · 02-20-2008, 02:12 PM

Staying married to a pathological philanderer might be considered an accomplishment.

MikeWaters · 02-20-2008, 02:17 PM

What does this mean? Asking pledged (non-super) delegates to vote against their pledge?

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In a sign of desperation, the Clinton camp floated the idea of poaching delegates that Obama earned via elections. While allowable under Democratic National Committee rules, the tactic would likely divide Democrats along racial lines and set the party back decades.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignp...line_wisconsin

il Padrino Ute · 02-20-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Staying married to a pathological philanderer might be considered an accomplishment.

Not really. Her goal was to occupy the White House and sticking it out with Bill was just her mode of transportation to get there.

I'll give her credit for being able to stay focused on the end goal.

Indy Coug · 02-20-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Not really. Her goal was to occupy the White House and sticking it out with Bill was just her mode of transportation to get there.

I'll give her credit for being able to stay focused on the end goal.

I agree 100%.

creekster · 02-20-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I can't name any of Hillary's accomplishments. I'm sure there is something in her record someone could think of as an accomplishment, but I am not aware of it.

at least she didn't stay home and bake cookies.

02-20-2008, 05:17 AM	#1
YOhio AKA SeattleNewt Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,055	Hillary is done The only way she can win is by blowing up the Dem party, calling in every favor, strongarming superdelegates, and forcing the party to accept Michigan and Florida delegates. I don't think there is any way she can win the nomination and the general election. The collateral damage would be too great. Man I hope this happens.

02-20-2008, 05:33 AM	#2
Detroitdad Resident Jackass Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roswell, New Mexico Posts: 1,846	I am afraid you are right. The Democratic party commits suicide once again. When you let the fringes do the talking you end up with crappy candidates (like John Kerry) and IMO Barack Obama.

02-20-2008, 02:09 PM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I can't name any of Hillary's accomplishments. I'm sure there is something in her record someone could think of as an accomplishment, but I am not aware of it.

02-20-2008, 02:12 PM	#6
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Staying married to a pathological philanderer might be considered an accomplishment.