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SeattleUte · 02-21-2006, 04:03 PM

Can we agree that Satan would score pretty darn high on an IQ test? But he's the last one to know, apparently, that he's fighting an all-out war against God that he can't possibly win. In fact, the whole contest is rigged. Satan's purpose is just to create a kind of haze that tests humans' worthiness for admission to heaven; someday the jig will be up, and Satan's inevitable downfall and banishment, even destruction, will occur. What gives? Why doesn't Satan sue for peace, cop a plea? What explains this fatal blind spot? Why is he of all people so clueless about the hopelessness of his cause?

fusnik11 · 02-21-2006, 04:10 PM

could it be satan doesnt really exist?

could it be 'satan' is the desires of the flesh?

although if he didnt exist i dont know how i could explain some of the more freakish experiences i had while on my mission....

you know, the exorcisms, possessions, etc....

Archaea · 02-21-2006, 04:19 PM

I see his blindness in people and children.

Sometimes my son, a very intelligent boy, will kick agains the pricks as it were, even though he knows it will result in his inevitable punishment.

In many respects, the terroist leaders of Islam act that way.

Yes it's intellectually befuddling, but perhaps he is so conceited, he thinks he can somehow devise or manufacture a win from the jaws of victory, or that God really doesn't mean it.

Satan is real, of that I have no doubt.

non sequitur · 02-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Scorched earth policy. Maybe he knows he's going down, but is determined to take as many people down with him as he can. Or maybe he just isn't that bright and people give him too much credit. Maybe people do bad things because it's their nature and not because Satan is standing on their shoulder, whispering in their ear. Myself, I favor the latter explanation.

JohnnyLingo · 02-21-2006, 04:21 PM

2 Nephi 28

22. And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

SeattleUte · 02-21-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

22. And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

I like it. Cite?

Archaea · 02-21-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

22. And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

I like it. Cite?

2 Nephi 28:22.

ute4ever · 02-21-2006, 05:07 PM

I feel that Satan knows he is not going to win, but is so bitter and self-absorbed that he simply does not care. Instead of giving up, sitting in a corner and sulking, he is going down swinging. His goal is to fool as many people as possible into sharing his eternal misery.

il Padrino Ute · 02-21-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

I feel that Satan knows he is not going to win, but is so bitter and self-absorbed that he simply does not care. Instead of giving up, sitting in a corner and sulking, he is going down swinging. His goal is to fool as many people as possible into sharing his eternal misery.

Are you saying that if Satan was a mortal man, he'd work at the post office, then go on a shooting spree and take out as many as he could before turning the gun on himself?

Archaea · 02-21-2006, 05:31 PM

He wouldn't turn the gun on himself, but throw the gun down and yell, you can't kill me, we're in Massachusetts with no death penalty.

And then he'd write twisted children's books.

02-21-2006, 04:03 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	I don't get "Satan." Can we agree that Satan would score pretty darn high on an IQ test? But he's the last one to know, apparently, that he's fighting an all-out war against God that he can't possibly win. In fact, the whole contest is rigged. Satan's purpose is just to create a kind of haze that tests humans' worthiness for admission to heaven; someday the jig will be up, and Satan's inevitable downfall and banishment, even destruction, will occur. What gives? Why doesn't Satan sue for peace, cop a plea? What explains this fatal blind spot? Why is he of all people so clueless about the hopelessness of his cause? __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

02-21-2006, 04:19 PM	#3
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	I see his blindness in people and children. Sometimes my son, a very intelligent boy, will kick agains the pricks as it were, even though he knows it will result in his inevitable punishment. In many respects, the terroist leaders of Islam act that way. Yes it's intellectually befuddling, but perhaps he is so conceited, he thinks he can somehow devise or manufacture a win from the jaws of victory, or that God really doesn't mean it. Satan is real, of that I have no doubt. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

02-21-2006, 04:19 PM	#4
non sequitur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,964	Scorched earth policy. Maybe he knows he's going down, but is determined to take as many people down with him as he can. Or maybe he just isn't that bright and people give him too much credit. Maybe people do bad things because it's their nature and not because Satan is standing on their shoulder, whispering in their ear. Myself, I favor the latter explanation. __________________ ...You've been under attack for days, there's a soldier down, he's wounded, gangrene's setting in, 'Who's used all the penicillin?' 'Oh, Mark Paxson sir, he's got knob rot off of some tart.'" - Gareth Keenan

02-21-2006, 05:31 PM	#10
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	He wouldn't turn the gun on himself, but throw the gun down and yell, you can't kill me, we're in Massachusetts with no death penalty. And then he'd write twisted children's books. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

02-21-2006, 04:10 PM	#2
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	could it be satan doesnt really exist? could it be 'satan' is the desires of the flesh? although if he didnt exist i dont know how i could explain some of the more freakish experiences i had while on my mission.... you know, the exorcisms, possessions, etc....

02-21-2006, 04:21 PM	#5
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	2 Nephi 28 22. And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

02-21-2006, 05:07 PM	#8
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	I feel that Satan knows he is not going to win, but is so bitter and self-absorbed that he simply does not care. Instead of giving up, sitting in a corner and sulking, he is going down swinging. His goal is to fool as many people as possible into sharing his eternal misery.