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MikeWaters · 10-11-2007, 03:04 PM

I think so, but only marginally so. For Utah, it would be a huge boost. For us, a small boost.

We get basically the same LDS kids we always get.

Judge Smails · 10-11-2007, 03:11 PM

I agree that Utah would get a larger boost than us, for the reasons you suggested, but I think the "better recruits in a BCS conference" is overblownm and Utah's improvement would likewise be marginal. As much as I'd like to be in a BCS conference and would be happy being a run-of-the-mill BCS team, challenging for a PAC-10/Big-12 championship would be fewer and farther between than Cougar/Ute fans think.

We'd more likely resemble Arizona than USC.

jay santos · 10-11-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

I agree that Utah would get a larger boost than us, for the reasons you suggested, but I think the "better recruits in a BCS conference" is overblownm and Utah's improvement would likewise be marginal. As much as I'd like to be in a BCS conference and would be happy being a run-of-the-mill BCS team, challenging for a PAC-10/Big-12 championship would be fewer and farther between than Cougar/Ute fans think.

We'd more likely resemble Arizona than USC.

I'd much rather be Arizona in the Pac 10 then BYU in the MWC. We could finish 5th and still get the same bowl. Our home schedule would never look like last year's.

Judge Smails · 10-11-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

I'd much rather be Arizona in the Pac 10 then BYU in the MWC. We could finish 5th and still get the same bowl. Our home schedule would never look like last year's.

I agree, and it's not even debatable. a one-twelth share of $17M every year sould seal that deal.

Not to mention getting to be elitist by excluding the have-nots.

jay santos · 10-11-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think so, but only marginally so. For Utah, it would be a huge boost. For us, a small boost.

We get basically the same LDS kids we always get.

The data's not totally sufficient, but the picture I'm getting is that as a % of 3 and 4 star LDS recruits, we are getting less and less over time. I believe we're getting less than 50% now. So I don't think you can say we'd get the same kids. I think it would be a big boost, could be huge.

Goatnapper'96 · 10-11-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

The data's not totally sufficient, but the picture I'm getting is that as a % of 3 and 4 star LDS recruits, we are getting less and less over time. I believe we're getting less than 50% now. So I don't think you can say we'd get the same kids. I think it would be a big boost, could be huge.

I think there are more now. The world has become aware of the Poly's in Utah and Hawaii. I think the talent level Mendenhall is bringing in is beginning to approach the pre-Lavell HC/Admin wars and meltdowns in the late 90's. I felt that starting with last year BYU was as deep, athletic and talented as they were in the mid 90's. Nothing has convinced me that this years team lacks in those areas, they just lack offensive experience and time playing together.

Indy Coug · 10-11-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

The data's not totally sufficient, but the picture I'm getting is that as a % of 3 and 4 star LDS recruits, we are getting less and less over time. I believe we're getting less than 50% now. So I don't think you can say we'd get the same kids. I think it would be a big boost, could be huge.

1. Are the 3/4 star LDS recruits we "miss out on" ones that we really needed? IOW, if we already landed four 3/4 star LDS OL, does it matter that we missed out on two others. Did we actually miss out on them if we already got our quota for that position?

2. As the US LDS population increases, is it necessary or feasible to get every quality LDS recruit? Does "missing out" leave us incapable of finding enough warm bodies to suit up?

3. Last year we had 15 3/4 star athletes commit. Of the two star athletes we signed, several have made more noise than some of the 3/4 star athletes we got (Manumaleuna, Beck, Jorgensen, Jordan Smith). Could it be that there are 2 star athletes that justifiably rate higher on the BYU coaches' charts than some overworked/underinformed Scout.com evaluator?

Bottom line, I'm not sure what you're observing implies what you're implying.

jay santos · 10-11-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

1. Are the 3/4 star LDS recruits we "miss out on" ones that we really needed? IOW, if we already landed four 3/4 star LDS OL, does it matter that we missed out on two others. Did we actually miss out on them if we already got our quota for that position?

This is Goat's point as well. It's a valid point. The majority of the 3/4 stars on the lines. This is not a weak area. But it can always improve.

http://www.cougarboard.com/nologin/m...tml?id=2904223

I look at this list and think it might be nice to have some of these guys, though obviously you can't get all and some are 2 star guys that got better in college.

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3. Last year we had 15 3/4 star athletes commit. Of the two star athletes we signed, several have made more noise than some of the 3/4 star athletes we got (Manumaleuna, Beck, Jorgensen, Jordan Smith). Could it be that there are 2 star athletes that justifiably rate higher on the BYU coaches' charts than some overworked/underinformed Scout.com evaluator?

Stars may not be exact, but it's a safe bet a recruiting class of 22 5 star guys will be better than 22 4 stars guy will be better than 22 3 star guys, etc.

You mention some two star guys that have panned out, but there are more that are duds. Matt Allen, Judd Anderton, Aaron Attig, Chris Bolden just to go through the B's on the roster.

I don't know how significant a move to Pac 10 would be, but it would be a nice hit. Three effects

1. We'd hit on a few of the 3/4 star LDS recruits that want to play BCS
2. The three to five non-LDS we recruit each year would be slightly better caliber. Instead of choices are BYU, San Jose State, and New Mexico it might be BYU, Fresno State, and Colorado.
3. We'd need less "filler" 2 star/1 star guys

RockyBalboa · 10-11-2007, 04:24 PM

We'd get more of the 4 and 5 star blue chip LDS recruits. That's for sure.

Other than that I really have no idea.

Being in a BCS Conference would certainly give BYU a better shot at say someone like Simi Kuli. An LDS 5 star JC Defensive End.

TheSizzle36 · 10-12-2007, 06:57 AM

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We'd get more of the 4 and 5 star blue chip LDS recruits. That's for sure.

You mean guys like Matt Berry, Ben Olson and Ofa Moheatu?

10-11-2007, 03:04 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Would we recruit better in a BCS conference? I think so, but only marginally so. For Utah, it would be a huge boost. For us, a small boost. We get basically the same LDS kids we always get.

10-11-2007, 03:11 PM	#2
Judge Smails Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 211	I agree that Utah would get a larger boost than us, for the reasons you suggested, but I think the "better recruits in a BCS conference" is overblownm and Utah's improvement would likewise be marginal. As much as I'd like to be in a BCS conference and would be happy being a run-of-the-mill BCS team, challenging for a PAC-10/Big-12 championship would be fewer and farther between than Cougar/Ute fans think. We'd more likely resemble Arizona than USC. __________________ Oh yes, I have spread my seed.

10-11-2007, 04:24 PM	#9
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	We'd get more of the 4 and 5 star blue chip LDS recruits. That's for sure. Other than that I really have no idea. Being in a BCS Conference would certainly give BYU a better shot at say someone like Simi Kuli. An LDS 5 star JC Defensive End. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.