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SeattleUte · 08-31-2007, 08:20 PM

Thoughts?

Indy Coug · 08-31-2007, 08:24 PM

Naivete?

MikeWaters · 08-31-2007, 08:27 PM

very few people support a completely non-socialized medical system.

Look at medicare and medicaid and CHIP and sCHIP.

You won't find too many people that argue against the old, the poor, and the children.

I don't think you will find too many small business owners who are very satisfied with the state of the health industry either.

MikeWaters · 08-31-2007, 08:33 PM

More complaints that I hear:

'THEY WILL TELL YOU WHICH DOCTOR YOU CAN SEE'

Umm, welcome to 2007, most of us have been told which doctors we can see for a long time.

'THEY WILL TELL US WHICH CONDITIONS, MEDICATIONS, AND PROCEDURES ARE APPROVED.'

Umm, hello, that has been the case for a long time in the private sector.

'THE OVERHEAD OF A GOVT. PROGRAM WILL BE TREMENDOUS.'

Compare the overhead of medicare to private health insurance. It's much lower for medicare.

'IF WE HAVE GOVT. HEALTHCARE, IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THE VA, WHICH IS TERRIBLE!'

There are many problems with many VA hospitals, but there are also GREAT things at these hospitals. Tell me one place in Dallas where you can get a 30 day inpatient drug rehab stay if you are indigent. There are many examples like that. Show me one veterans group that is urging the VA hospitals be shut down and replaced with private insurance. You wont' find them.

Mormon Red Death · 08-31-2007, 08:37 PM

Don't you see the ethical problem with National Health insurance?

they are mandating that you charge what they decide... That wouldn't bother you? why would it be ok for them to tell you what you can charge for your services but a lawyer, shoe salesman, or a grocer can charge what the market bear?

SeattleUte · 08-31-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

Don't you see the ethical problem with National Health insurance?

they are mandating that you charge what they decide... That wouldn't bother you? why would it be ok for them to tell you what you can charge for your services but a lawyer, shoe salesman, or a grocer can charge what the market bear?

Why is this different from health insurers' physician networks? I don't think it's an "ethical problem." Today most any dr. gets paid for services to insured patients at a huge discount from their regular rates, and agree in wrinting to look ony to the carrier for payment. On top of that the carriers are pervasively regulated by state government. I see this as a "states rights" issue more than anything.

SeattleUte · 08-31-2007, 08:57 PM

Drs. generally don't get to choose whether they will see midicare or medicaid insured patients.

MikeWaters · 08-31-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Drs. generally don't get to choose whether they will see midicare or medicaid insured patients.

yes they can. I know doctors that take neither medicare nor insurance.

SeattleUte · 08-31-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

yes they can. I know doctors that take neither medicare nor insurance.

How common is that? I know carriers and/or facilities where docs have privileges often require them to take medicare and medicaid patients. The really toney ones that are "free agents" and see movie stars maybe not. But I understand that realistically most doctors do have to. Wrong?

MikeWaters · 08-31-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

How common is that? I know carriers and/or facilities where docs have privileges often require them to take medicare and medicaid patients. The really toney ones that are "free agents" and see movie stars maybe not. But I understand that realistically most doctors do have to. Wrong?

if you take care of hospitalized patients, then probably yes. but medicare is not such a bad deal for the hospitals.

if you run your own practice, you can make choices. You actually have to APPLY to be a medicare provider. It's not automatic. and there is no law that says I must see any patient on a non-emergent basis.

Most psychiatrists I know, that are starting out, don't take anytning but cash.

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08-31-2007, 08:20 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Why does Dr. Waters favor socialized medicine? Thoughts? __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

08-31-2007, 08:37 PM	#5
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	Don't you see the ethical problem with National Health insurance? they are mandating that you charge what they decide... That wouldn't bother you? why would it be ok for them to tell you what you can charge for your services but a lawyer, shoe salesman, or a grocer can charge what the market bear? __________________ Its all about the suit

08-31-2007, 08:57 PM	#7
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Drs. generally don't get to choose whether they will see midicare or medicaid insured patients. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

08-31-2007, 08:24 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Naivete?

08-31-2007, 08:27 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	very few people support a completely non-socialized medical system. Look at medicare and medicaid and CHIP and sCHIP. You won't find too many people that argue against the old, the poor, and the children. I don't think you will find too many small business owners who are very satisfied with the state of the health industry either.

08-31-2007, 08:33 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	More complaints that I hear: 'THEY WILL TELL YOU WHICH DOCTOR YOU CAN SEE' Umm, welcome to 2007, most of us have been told which doctors we can see for a long time. 'THEY WILL TELL US WHICH CONDITIONS, MEDICATIONS, AND PROCEDURES ARE APPROVED.' Umm, hello, that has been the case for a long time in the private sector. 'THE OVERHEAD OF A GOVT. PROGRAM WILL BE TREMENDOUS.' Compare the overhead of medicare to private health insurance. It's much lower for medicare. 'IF WE HAVE GOVT. HEALTHCARE, IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THE VA, WHICH IS TERRIBLE!' There are many problems with many VA hospitals, but there are also GREAT things at these hospitals. Tell me one place in Dallas where you can get a 30 day inpatient drug rehab stay if you are indigent. There are many examples like that. Show me one veterans group that is urging the VA hospitals be shut down and replaced with private insurance. You wont' find them.