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Old 11-05-2008, 01:30 PM   #1
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That I was actually happy for McCain and Obama. McCain because while there was disapointment, he was gracious and that same time seem to have a genuine sense of relief that he wasn't the guy. Maybe that sounds weird, but he seemed content.

And happy for Obama because while he appeared exhausted, he also appeared to be what the country needs as a whole needs to begin a very divisive healing process... it was a red letter (no pun intended) date in American History.

When Obama won, I wasn't mad as this outcome seemed to be a foregone conclusion for a long time, and I had since believed that for awhile.

While some may view this next line as hyperbole...I honestly will be praying that the Lord blesses this man and guides him, as the next 4 years are going to be extremely difficult to dig ourselves out of the big hole we've created both domestic and foreign.

Truly one of the more significant nights in our Countrys history.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:33 PM   #2
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That I was actually happy for McCain and Obama. McCain because while there was disapointment, he was gracious and that same time seem to have a genuine sense of relief that he wasn't the guy. Maybe that sounds weird, but he seemed content.

And happy for Obama because while he appeared exhausted, he also appeared to be what the country needs as a whole needs to begin a very divisive healing process... it was a red letter (no pun intended) date in American History.

When Obama won, I wasn't mad as this outcome seemed to be a foregone conclusion for a long time, and I had since believed that for awhile.

While some may view this next line as hyperbole...I honestly will be praying that the Lord blesses this man and guides him, as the next 4 years are going to be extremely difficult to dig ourselves out of the big hole we've created both domestic and foreign.

Truly one of the more significant nights in our Countrys history.
Even the elect . . . .
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:38 PM   #3
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Interesting points about McCain. As they talked about this being his goal for the last 10 years, I got the sense that "even being considered" was good enough for him...especially considering where he came from in terms of losing to Bush in the previous primaries and having his campaign nearly dead 2 years ago.

As many have said, if he spoke in his campaign like he did last night, it could've bene a lot closer.
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As many have said, if he spoke in his campaign like he did last night, it could've bene a lot closer.
exactly! And it was the same with Hillary. Their finest moments were in their concessions. It's the only time they were ever genuine. Why not tap into that earlier?
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:52 PM   #5
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A few interesting stats (note 2008 numbers are preliminary and could shift slightly):

This was billed as a "turnout" election, with lots of enthusiasm for Obama, right?

2004 vote total: 122 million
2008 vote total: 118 million

In fact, Obama just about equaled what Bush got in 2004 (62 million).

And the youth vote?

2004: 17%
2008: 18%

Not much there. Also, here's an interesting breakdown by race on Prop 8:

Whites: 47-53
Blacks: 70-30
Latinos: 51-49
Asians: 47-53

Looks like strong black and moderate latino support (10% and 19% of CA electorate, respectively) may have made the difference.
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Also, if anyone else cares, seats lost by Tom Delay (TX-22) and Mark Foley (FL-16) were recaptured by Republicans, as expected. They were both solid Republican districts.
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Not much there. Also, here's an interesting breakdown by race on Prop 8:

Whites: 47-53
Blacks: 70-30
Latinos: 51-49
Asians: 47-53

Looks like strong black and moderate latino support (10% and 19% of CA electorate, respectively) may have made the difference.
That's odd. I have never understood why blacks always vote that way on gay issues. Anybody have any insight?
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That's odd. I have never understood why blacks always vote that way on gay issues. Anybody have any insight?
Maybe their moral compass isn't all shot to hell?
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:17 PM   #9
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That's odd. I have never understood why blacks always vote that way on gay issues. Anybody have any insight?
Some ideas:

Blacks are socially conservative.

Blacks may view their civil rights struggle in uniquely racial terms and not all that happy to include other groups (even Hispanics). Given their social conservatism, Blacks for the most part still see homosexuality as a choice and probably resent the gay rights movement trying to frame its struggle in the same terms as the black civil rights movement.

I suppose this will change over time, but I think these attitudes will lag those of other groups.
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They want to keep The Down Low, down low.
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