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MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 03:31 PM

Blacks and Hispanics dominated the Dallas Ind. School District. With only about 5% whites in the schools, that's the reason.

Dallas has some pretty good magnet schools. Apparently they were started with the support of the black community. But in recent years, the numbers of blacks have waned compared to hispanics. Hispanics don't like the magnet schools. They think they are a waste of money and want to get rid of them.

Whites don't really care since they have abandoned the district already. But the few whites left, I think, highly value the magnet schools. White guy I talked to said without the magnet schools, the district is absolutely in the crapper.

1.35 billion bond package held up now by black community group that has sued saying that the plan doesn't help black students enough.

White flight has been absolutely dramatic in Dallas schools.

MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 03:36 PM

Las Vegas is trying to steal some of the 600 teachers or so that are being layed off because of a sudden 80+ million deficit that came as a surprise to incompetent superintendent.

Problem is Las Vegas schools pay peanuts and have higher cost of living.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....cafcb4d4.html

MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 03:36 PM

Las Vegas is trying to steal some of the 600 teachers or so that are being layed off because of a sudden 80+ million deficit that came as a surprise to incompetent superintendent.

Problem is Las Vegas schools pay peanuts and have higher cost of living.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....cafcb4d4.html

Levin · 10-07-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Blacks and Hispanics dominated the Dallas Ind. School District. With only about 5% whites in the schools, that's the reason.

Dallas has some pretty good magnet schools. Apparently they were started with the support of the black community. But in recent years, the numbers of blacks have waned compared to hispanics. Hispanics don't like the magnet schools. They think they are a waste of money and want to get rid of them.

Whites don't really care since they have abandoned the district already. But the few whites left, I think, highly value the magnet schools. White guy I talked to said without the magnet schools, the district is absolutely in the crapper.

1.35 billion bond package held up now by black community group that has sued saying that the plan doesn't help black students enough.

White flight has been absolutely dramatic in Dallas schools.

Has the white flight been recent, as in during the 1990s and 2000s?

I know you send your son to public school, right? How has his experience been?

In my DC neighborhood, we have one of the few good elementary schools -- the neighborhood is almost exclusively white. Once the kids reach middle school age, where the populations of elementary schools with predominately black children also attend, the children from our elementary school flee to private schools or the parents move out of the neighborhood.

MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Levin

Has the white flight been recent, as in during the 1990s and 2000s?

I know you send your son to public school, right? How has his experience been?

In my DC neighborhood, we have one of the few good elementary schools -- the neighborhood is almost exclusively white. Once the kids reach middle school age, where the populations of elementary schools with predominately black children also attend, the children from our elementary school flee to private schools or the parents move out of the neighborhood.

white flight for a long time, I think, but accelerated in the last 15 years I think with the huge influx of hispanics.

we want to get out.

Levin · 10-07-2008, 03:55 PM

I find the history of these school districts fascinating. I remember watching a documentary on the Richmond School District. It had a bunch of geezers who attended school in the 1950s reminisching about the parades, homecoming dances, and tree-lined neighborhoods with lemonade stands.

Fast forward fifty years: the schools have been abandoned or are bombed-out ghetto schools for disadvantaged black students.

MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 04:00 PM

It's like my friend at work: his youngest just graduated from HS.

he says "schools in my neighborhood are great." He then does some fact checking with a friend who works at the school and says to me "never mind, the school is 95% hispanic now and going down the tubes."

The enclaves of "resistance" are in the school district north of Dallas. Where some schools are crap, and some schools are still very good. There is actually one Dallas elementary a few miles from me that is known for being such an enclave.

Game theory comes to mind in explaining the behavior of the educated, well-off classes when it comes to public schooling.

Levin · 10-07-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Game theory comes to mind in explaining the behavior of the educated, well-off classes when it comes to public schooling.

It's also the most-used example when explaining tipping points.

MikeWaters · 10-07-2008, 04:13 PM

Are hispanic immigrants in urban settings meeting expectations of middle class Americans?

If the behavior of Spanish-speaking wards in my stake are an indication, I don' think so.

There used to be two. One of them was disbanded by the stake because of lack of performance indicators -- i.e. missions. Lack of missions will probably also indicate lack of college attendance and church activity.

I think the current Spanish speaking ward has the same problem. Families aren't moving up the ladder very well, and the kids activity rates as young adults is not good. I'm trying to think if they have put out a single kid on a mission in the 6 years I have been in the stake. Not sure. And they have the largest YM and YW programs in the stake. I should say "programs". It's only in the last year or two that they have the semblance of a functioning scouting program.

10-07-2008, 03:31 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Blacks vs. Hispanics in Dallas Blacks and Hispanics dominated the Dallas Ind. School District. With only about 5% whites in the schools, that's the reason. Dallas has some pretty good magnet schools. Apparently they were started with the support of the black community. But in recent years, the numbers of blacks have waned compared to hispanics. Hispanics don't like the magnet schools. They think they are a waste of money and want to get rid of them. Whites don't really care since they have abandoned the district already. But the few whites left, I think, highly value the magnet schools. White guy I talked to said without the magnet schools, the district is absolutely in the crapper. 1.35 billion bond package held up now by black community group that has sued saying that the plan doesn't help black students enough. White flight has been absolutely dramatic in Dallas schools.

10-07-2008, 03:55 PM	#6
Levin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,484	I find the history of these school districts fascinating. I remember watching a documentary on the Richmond School District. It had a bunch of geezers who attended school in the 1950s reminisching about the parades, homecoming dances, and tree-lined neighborhoods with lemonade stands. Fast forward fifty years: the schools have been abandoned or are bombed-out ghetto schools for disadvantaged black students. __________________ "Now I say that I know the meaning of my life: 'To live for God, for my soul.' And this meaning, in spite of its clearness, is mysterious and marvelous. Such is the meaning of all existence." Levin, Anna Karenina, Part 8, Chapter 12

10-07-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Las Vegas is trying to steal some of the 600 teachers or so that are being layed off because of a sudden 80+ million deficit that came as a surprise to incompetent superintendent. Problem is Las Vegas schools pay peanuts and have higher cost of living. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....cafcb4d4.html

10-07-2008, 04:00 PM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's like my friend at work: his youngest just graduated from HS. he says "schools in my neighborhood are great." He then does some fact checking with a friend who works at the school and says to me "never mind, the school is 95% hispanic now and going down the tubes." The enclaves of "resistance" are in the school district north of Dallas. Where some schools are crap, and some schools are still very good. There is actually one Dallas elementary a few miles from me that is known for being such an enclave. Game theory comes to mind in explaining the behavior of the educated, well-off classes when it comes to public schooling.

10-07-2008, 04:13 PM	#9
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Are hispanic immigrants in urban settings meeting expectations of middle class Americans? If the behavior of Spanish-speaking wards in my stake are an indication, I don' think so. There used to be two. One of them was disbanded by the stake because of lack of performance indicators -- i.e. missions. Lack of missions will probably also indicate lack of college attendance and church activity. I think the current Spanish speaking ward has the same problem. Families aren't moving up the ladder very well, and the kids activity rates as young adults is not good. I'm trying to think if they have put out a single kid on a mission in the 6 years I have been in the stake. Not sure. And they have the largest YM and YW programs in the stake. I should say "programs". It's only in the last year or two that they have the semblance of a functioning scouting program.