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MikeWaters · 07-14-2008, 04:07 AM

A head-scratcher for me: none of the YM that are 16 and older in my ward have jobs.

They all come from relatively humble backgrounds, financially.

Not even the one who is leaving for BYU and whose family is poor. Ok, if you want to count the 19 year old who works from time-to-time for a ward member doing floors. He's leaving on a mission in 3 or 4 months and is probably not that far from his 20th birthday.

I don't get it. My circle of friends, almost all of us had jobs. My three closest friends, 2 sons of professors, and a son of a veternarian, held menial-type jobs.

The only thing I can come up with is "poor ways are poor ways."

One of the YW in my ward, she WALKS to her job. She worked something like 30 hours/wk during the school year, and pulled a 3.2, despite coming from a dirt-poor family. She hands over most of her check to her mother for the family.

She's gonna make it.

I'm not so sure about a lot of the YM. Another irony: a YM who has been inactive for a couple years now, has consistently held down a job. He attends briefly during stake basketball season in order to qualify for the team. LOL.

Should I bring up the issue? Talk to the parents?

venomous viper · 07-14-2008, 05:18 PM

Mike- how do I start a thread? I just received a 36, 524 day suspension from jefe. I want to post his reason and the post that got me exed. It will be a fun read...

MikeWaters · 07-14-2008, 05:20 PM

Go to the Chit Chat form, then in the top left click "new thread".

Or just go to this link:
http://cougarguard.com/forum/newthre...newthread&f=15

Runner Coug · 07-14-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A head-scratcher for me: none of the YM that are 16 and older in my ward have jobs.

They all come from relatively humble backgrounds, financially.

Not even the one who is leaving for BYU and whose family is poor. Ok, if you want to count the 19 year old who works from time-to-time for a ward member doing floors. He's leaving on a mission in 3 or 4 months and is probably not that far from his 20th birthday.

I don't get it. My circle of friends, almost all of us had jobs. My three closest friends, 2 sons of professors, and a son of a veternarian, held menial-type jobs.

The only thing I can come up with is "poor ways are poor ways."

One of the YW in my ward, she WALKS to her job. She worked something like 30 hours/wk during the school year, and pulled a 3.2, despite coming from a dirt-poor family. She hands over most of her check to her mother for the family.

She's gonna make it.

I'm not so sure about a lot of the YM. Another irony: a YM who has been inactive for a couple years now, has consistently held down a job. He attends briefly during stake basketball season in order to qualify for the team. LOL.

Should I bring up the issue? Talk to the parents?

I have to admit, I'm also concerned about some of our YM. I spent three days at Scout Camp last week, and I was pretty shocked at the amount of sitting around they were doing. Two of the boys from the other troop that we're combined with came home with exactly ZERO merit badges. Their Scoutmaster was there until Tues. and then the YM Pres. came up, so I don't know if they felt like w/o the Scoutmaster there they could do whatever they wanted, but it was pretty discouraging. I could tell their YM Pres. wanted to throttle them, but you can't force them to do anything.

MikeWaters · 07-14-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Runner Coug

I have to admit, I'm also concerned about some of our YM. I spent three days at Scout Camp last week, and I was pretty shocked at the amount of sitting around they were doing. Two of the boys from the other troop that we're combined with came home with exactly ZERO merit badges. Their Scoutmaster was there until Tues. and then the YM Pres. came up, so I don't know if they felt like w/o the Scoutmaster there they could do whatever they wanted, but it was pretty discouraging. I could tell their YM Pres. wanted to throttle them, but you can't force them to do anything.

I felt the same way about a couple of the boys at summer camp.

Loser ways are loser ways. I try to encourage, I try to guilt trip, nothing works.

SteelBlue · 07-14-2008, 07:44 PM

This is sort of off topic but semi-applicable. Has anyone else noticed the lack of menial jobs available for YM under the age of 16? When I was that age, I had a paper route at one time, I mowed lawns, I pulled weeds, I dug ditches and many many other tough, crappy jobs that people didn't want to do. Now it seems everyone has a gardener or they want to do it themselves. I live in a modest neighborhood of starter homes with a bunch of middle class Joes. I am the only one on my street that doesn't use a gardener. Maybe this will change as fuel and food costs continue to rise and expendable income shrinks. But a lot of the work opportunities I had as a kid (prior to 16) just aren't available anymore.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2008, 09:04 PM

I dont know what's available these days, but I do not relate to not wanting a job as a teen.

I actually lied about my age to get my first part-time job. I was 14 and I wanted to work at a bakery chain called La Petite Boulangerie. I got the job and was operating baking ovens and meat slicers before I was 15.

I loved making money and being able to buy a skateboard or whatever else I wanted. Also, this was pre-tithing, so 10% didnt automatically fly out the window. I was living large on my minimum wage $3.05 an hour or whatever it was.

I worked all through HS....always finding a fun job.....I never worked fast food, thank goodness. I did work at a record store (Music Plus Records and Tapes) and the UA Movie Theater. Remind me one day to tell everyone how we would make a hundred or so extra bucks every night we worked there....it may gross some of you out, but I think it is a heartwarming tale.

SteelBlue · 07-14-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Remind me one day to tell everyone how we would make a hundred or so extra bucks every night we worked there....it may gross some of you out, but I think it is a heartwarming tale.

Look DDD, what happened between you and a few desperate old men in the 1980's is nothing you have to share with us. It's over now, you can heal.

TripletDaddy · 07-14-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Look DDD, what happened between you and a few desperate old men in the 1980's is nothing you have to share with us. It's over now, you can heal.

LOL....man, i walked into that one. I didnt even see the perfect set-up, either. Nice job.

No, actually nothing that salacious.

we basically worked in two-man teams...one cleaning theaters and one selling concessions. Since the cups and popcorn buckets were inventoried, the cleaner would collect used soda cups and popcorn buckets and sneak them back to the candy seller. The candy seller would keep track of those and simply pocket all cash associated with those sales. On a Friday night, $100 was easy.

Many innocent people ate and drank out of used cups and buckets.

sigh. I have since repented.

07-14-2008, 04:07 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	YM and jobs A head-scratcher for me: none of the YM that are 16 and older in my ward have jobs. They all come from relatively humble backgrounds, financially. Not even the one who is leaving for BYU and whose family is poor. Ok, if you want to count the 19 year old who works from time-to-time for a ward member doing floors. He's leaving on a mission in 3 or 4 months and is probably not that far from his 20th birthday. I don't get it. My circle of friends, almost all of us had jobs. My three closest friends, 2 sons of professors, and a son of a veternarian, held menial-type jobs. The only thing I can come up with is "poor ways are poor ways." One of the YW in my ward, she WALKS to her job. She worked something like 30 hours/wk during the school year, and pulled a 3.2, despite coming from a dirt-poor family. She hands over most of her check to her mother for the family. She's gonna make it. I'm not so sure about a lot of the YM. Another irony: a YM who has been inactive for a couple years now, has consistently held down a job. He attends briefly during stake basketball season in order to qualify for the team. LOL. Should I bring up the issue? Talk to the parents?

07-14-2008, 09:04 PM	#7
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	I dont know what's available these days, but I do not relate to not wanting a job as a teen. I actually lied about my age to get my first part-time job. I was 14 and I wanted to work at a bakery chain called La Petite Boulangerie. I got the job and was operating baking ovens and meat slicers before I was 15. I loved making money and being able to buy a skateboard or whatever else I wanted. Also, this was pre-tithing, so 10% didnt automatically fly out the window. I was living large on my minimum wage $3.05 an hour or whatever it was. I worked all through HS....always finding a fun job.....I never worked fast food, thank goodness. I did work at a record store (Music Plus Records and Tapes) and the UA Movie Theater. Remind me one day to tell everyone how we would make a hundred or so extra bucks every night we worked there....it may gross some of you out, but I think it is a heartwarming tale. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

07-14-2008, 05:18 PM	#2
venomous viper Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cancun, AZ, TX and CA. Posts: 191	Mike- how do I start a thread? I just received a 36, 524 day suspension from jefe. I want to post his reason and the post that got me exed. It will be a fun read...

07-14-2008, 05:20 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Go to the Chit Chat form, then in the top left click "new thread". Or just go to this link: http://cougarguard.com/forum/newthre...newthread&f=15

07-14-2008, 07:44 PM	#6
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	This is sort of off topic but semi-applicable. Has anyone else noticed the lack of menial jobs available for YM under the age of 16? When I was that age, I had a paper route at one time, I mowed lawns, I pulled weeds, I dug ditches and many many other tough, crappy jobs that people didn't want to do. Now it seems everyone has a gardener or they want to do it themselves. I live in a modest neighborhood of starter homes with a bunch of middle class Joes. I am the only one on my street that doesn't use a gardener. Maybe this will change as fuel and food costs continue to rise and expendable income shrinks. But a lot of the work opportunities I had as a kid (prior to 16) just aren't available anymore.