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SeattleUte · 12-23-2008, 08:09 PM

Waters, this is somewhat more formiddable than the LDS press release on Prop. 8. But I'm sure you can handle it. What say you in rejoinder?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/op...prod=permalink

MikeWaters · 12-23-2008, 09:24 PM

I'm trying to imagine the NYT taking a NRA study and repeating its findings verbatim as if fact.

It's hard to imagine.

Yet the NYT has done exactly that with an anti-gun group.

I glanced at the report to try and divine who wrote it. Who did the work?

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....port_final.pdf

Couldn't find a single name claiming authorship. Odd.

This is a fight over the Tiahrt Amendment. Anti-gun groups want unfettered access to trace data, while others want the trace data to only be used in criminal investigations.

Here is the NRA position:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?id=208

This is what Mayor's Against Guns say:
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....l/tiahrt.shtml

Essentially, the anti-gunners want to use trace data to file civil lawsuits. Kind of a back-end gun control. Sue the original gun dealer who legally sold the weapon. And they are very frustrated that they have been thwarted by these laws. At least, that is how I am reading it.

Don't have time to critique the study. I'm sure we are going to see some critiques soon.

12-23-2008, 08:09 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Lax gun laws kill? Waters, this is somewhat more formiddable than the LDS press release on Prop. 8. But I'm sure you can handle it. What say you in rejoinder? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/op...prod=permalink __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

12-23-2008, 09:24 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm trying to imagine the NYT taking a NRA study and repeating its findings verbatim as if fact. It's hard to imagine. Yet the NYT has done exactly that with an anti-gun group. I glanced at the report to try and divine who wrote it. Who did the work? http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....port_final.pdf Couldn't find a single name claiming authorship. Odd. This is a fight over the Tiahrt Amendment. Anti-gun groups want unfettered access to trace data, while others want the trace data to only be used in criminal investigations. Here is the NRA position: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?id=208 This is what Mayor's Against Guns say: http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....l/tiahrt.shtml Essentially, the anti-gunners want to use trace data to file civil lawsuits. Kind of a back-end gun control. Sue the original gun dealer who legally sold the weapon. And they are very frustrated that they have been thwarted by these laws. At least, that is how I am reading it. Don't have time to critique the study. I'm sure we are going to see some critiques soon.