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MikeWaters · 05-07-2009, 03:40 PM

if not related.

In other words, we are to redeem the dead*.

*dead = only those whom we are evidently related.

This is yet another example of the church kowtowing to the opinion of the world. It bothers me.

Would Joseph Smith have apologized for the work being done for Obama's mother? He would have used it as an opportunity to teach the world the truth about a misunderstood doctrine.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...r.html?showall

SeattleUte · 05-07-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

if not related.

In other words, we are to redeem the dead*.

*dead = only those whom we are evidently related.

This is yet another example of the church kowtowing to the opinion of the world. It bothers me.

Would Joseph Smith have apologized for the work being done for Obama's mother? He would have used it as an opportunity to teach the world the truth about a misunderstood doctrine.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...r.html?showall

You're funny; a very calculating comedian.

I'm worried about that baby in your avatar contracting e coli. It's deadly in young children.

MikeWaters · 05-07-2009, 07:33 PM

I continue to be perplexed by a church that is willing to spend all of its political capital on something like gay marriage, but spends zero capital on something like redeeming the dead.

You know, the idea that the church can never do wrong, never fall into apostasy is a dangerous one. It means that mortal men feel that whatever decision they make is by definition correct. There is no reevaluation for error and mistakes.

And that is always dangerous.

All-American · 05-09-2009, 08:51 AM

They aren't getting any more or less dead if we don't get the work done now. It's not as though we're running out of relatives, either. Why not wait until we can convince one of their descendants to do it?

I don't understand why people are offended by the notion of LDS baptisms for the dead, but I acknowledge that people are offended by the notion of LDS baptisms for the dead. So what's wrong with a little effort to not piss people off?

MikeWaters · 05-09-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm tired of handing my lunch money over to the schoolyard bullies.

You think we get ANY credit for this with these groups?

ZERO.

All-American · 05-09-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm tired of handing my lunch money over to the schoolyard bullies.

You think we get ANY credit for this with these groups?

ZERO.

Probably not. So?

MikeWaters · 05-10-2009, 02:57 AM

If we are doing it to make people like us, and they don't like us anyway, what's the point?

When you throw your doctrine in the garbage can, you might as well get something back for the effort.

All-American · 05-10-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If we are doing it to make people like us, and they don't like us anyway, what's the point?

When you throw your doctrine in the garbage can, you might as well get something back for the effort.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth crain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

05-07-2009, 03:40 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	No church member to submit names for temple ordinances if not related. In other words, we are to redeem the dead. dead = only those whom we are evidently related. This is yet another example of the church kowtowing to the opinion of the world. It bothers me. Would Joseph Smith have apologized for the work being done for Obama's mother? He would have used it as an opportunity to teach the world the truth about a misunderstood doctrine. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...r.html?showall

05-09-2009, 08:51 AM	#4
All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	They aren't getting any more or less dead if we don't get the work done now. It's not as though we're running out of relatives, either. Why not wait until we can convince one of their descendants to do it? I don't understand why people are offended by the notion of LDS baptisms for the dead, but I acknowledge that people are offended by the notion of LDS baptisms for the dead. So what's wrong with a little effort to not piss people off? __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

05-07-2009, 07:33 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I continue to be perplexed by a church that is willing to spend all of its political capital on something like gay marriage, but spends zero capital on something like redeeming the dead. You know, the idea that the church can never do wrong, never fall into apostasy is a dangerous one. It means that mortal men feel that whatever decision they make is by definition correct. There is no reevaluation for error and mistakes. And that is always dangerous.

05-09-2009, 10:39 AM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm tired of handing my lunch money over to the schoolyard bullies. You think we get ANY credit for this with these groups? ZERO.

05-10-2009, 02:57 AM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	If we are doing it to make people like us, and they don't like us anyway, what's the point? When you throw your doctrine in the garbage can, you might as well get something back for the effort.