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Indy Coug · 12-20-2007, 01:25 PM

http://instapundit.com/archives2/013112.php

TripletDaddy · 12-20-2007, 02:16 PM

Kyoto. Tokyo. 5 letters. 2 cities.

YOhio · 12-20-2007, 02:25 PM

TripletDaddy · 12-20-2007, 02:44 PM

MikeWaters · 12-20-2007, 02:46 PM

I don't know what Kyoto stipulates in terms of goals and the like--but the question that comes to mind, is if in fact we are meeting the goals, or close to meeting the goals, what is the purpose of us losing our standing in the world by nto signing it?

Archaea · 12-20-2007, 03:13 PM

Why should we do what some Euro tells us to do?

It might make sense to meet the goals for purposes of the environment, but I see no sense in being beholden to other powers. While we do not need to buck the recommendations if recommendations are good, but I see no benefit in allowing others to control us.

MikeWaters · 12-20-2007, 03:21 PM

This reminds me of those that argue for torture, but then claim we are not doing it.

Why give up the moral standing for something you're not even using?

Indy Coug · 12-20-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I don't know what Kyoto stipulates in terms of goals and the like--but the question that comes to mind, is if in fact we are meeting the goals, or close to meeting the goals, what is the purpose of us losing our standing in the world by nto signing it?

Maybe by signing it, it would actually prevent us from doing as well as we've done with our emissions without signing it.

Archaea · 12-20-2007, 03:30 PM

Your problem with torture is you sound off on torture when your rubric should be civil liberties with torture being just one feather.

Torture doesn't resonate because it's not real, but a deprivation of civil liberties is a real threat for all.

Again, China and the US are the world super powers and we gain little by ceding to the desires of the lesser countries. They don't ever concede anything we need and indeed like France send governmentally employed spies to steal the corporate secrets of our countries transnational corporations.

How and why do you equate "moral standing" with "public relations"? I can see a tenuous connection, but you seem to equate what other assholes think of us as the same as moral standing.

myboynoah · 12-20-2007, 04:13 PM

I was actually at Kyoto escorting a bunch of Congressmen and Senators around, from both sides of the aisle. Not a whole lot of support among them, particularly not from John Dingell, current Chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. They met with then VP Gore to express their concerns, which Arch summarized.

FYI, the U.S. is a signtory to the Kyoto Protocol, it has yet to be ratified by the Senate. No movement there until limits are similarly placed on developing nations (like China).

Seems reasonable.

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Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Why should we do what some Euro tells us to do? It might make sense to meet the goals for purposes of the environment, but I see no sense in being beholden to other powers. While we do not need to buck the recommendations if recommendations are good, but I see no benefit in allowing others to control us. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

12-20-2007, 03:30 PM	#9
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Your problem with torture is you sound off on torture when your rubric should be civil liberties with torture being just one feather. Torture doesn't resonate because it's not real, but a deprivation of civil liberties is a real threat for all. Again, China and the US are the world super powers and we gain little by ceding to the desires of the lesser countries. They don't ever concede anything we need and indeed like France send governmentally employed spies to steal the corporate secrets of our countries transnational corporations. How and why do you equate "moral standing" with "public relations"? I can see a tenuous connection, but you seem to equate what other assholes think of us as the same as moral standing. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

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12-20-2007, 02:46 PM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't know what Kyoto stipulates in terms of goals and the like--but the question that comes to mind, is if in fact we are meeting the goals, or close to meeting the goals, what is the purpose of us losing our standing in the world by nto signing it?

12-20-2007, 03:21 PM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	This reminds me of those that argue for torture, but then claim we are not doing it. Why give up the moral standing for something you're not even using?

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myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	I was actually at Kyoto escorting a bunch of Congressmen and Senators around, from both sides of the aisle. Not a whole lot of support among them, particularly not from John Dingell, current Chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. They met with then VP Gore to express their concerns, which Arch summarized. FYI, the U.S. is a signtory to the Kyoto Protocol, it has yet to be ratified by the Senate. No movement there until limits are similarly placed on developing nations (like China). Seems reasonable. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.