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BYU71 · 08-21-2007, 03:43 PM

about Hook's return. This is what impresses me about Bronco. He sounded very sincere about having Hooks back. He talked very positively about Hooks as a person. No image control here. The guy made a mistake. Bronco dealt out the punishment and it is over.

I have expressed this before. My worry about Bronco came from the zealots who were taking what he said and then interpreting it for the world. I was afraid they might be right.

Bronco will only recruit those who recruit BYU. To the zealots that meant we will recruit only the pure in heart.

There were those who even thought we could win and pack the stadium with 90% RM's on the field. I could go on and on.

Sure Bronco is a disciplinarian. That is great. I don't get the feeling though he does it out of spite, anger or some sense of moral superiority. I get the sense he truly believes it is right for his team and will make for a good football team. It is not about punishment, but keeping kids on the right track.

By the way. Have you ever heard Bronco bad mouth any player who left BYU or recruit who chose another school.

il Padrino Ute · 08-21-2007, 04:20 PM

The only thing that really matters is if Hooks has learned from his mistake and moves on with his life.

I think you're correct about Mendenhall and the zealots. To me, Mendenhall does what he does because he feels it is what's best for his team. There really is nothing more to it. I

If it causes zoobs to rally 'round the fire and sing praises and causes ALUFs to start weeping, wailing and gnashing their teeth, it just makes it that more entertaining.

Tex · 08-21-2007, 04:24 PM

I attended one of the Bronco firesides over the summer and I came away greatly impressed. He seems to have just the right balance of discipline and love for the players.

He didn't pull many punches for booing fans, either.

MikeWaters · 08-21-2007, 04:26 PM

It's too bad that cultural breakdown among polynesians in the United States sullies BYU.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with BYU per se, but rather there must be all kinds of polys getting into trouble with the law that aren't playing college sports anywhere, and that is sad.

I've lived with islanders, I speak an islander language, and criminals they are not.

cougjunkie · 08-21-2007, 04:30 PM

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It's too bad that cultural breakdown among polynesians in the United States sullies BYU.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with BYU per se, but rather there must be all kinds of polys getting into trouble with the law that aren't playing college sports anywhere, and that is sad.

I've lived with islanders, I speak an islander language, and criminals they are not.

My sister in law worked for a group home in Mona, Utah. Every saturday night she would bring the boys up and we would play flag football with them. All of these boys were in trouble with the law in one way or another and half of them were polynesian, well it was amazing the talent that some of these kids had, i mean i was blown away. Out of the 30 kids i would guess at least 7 or 8 could have played college football. Only one boy made it back to mainstream highschool he played for Kearns and was very good, but didnt have the grades to play college.

Rickomatic · 08-21-2007, 05:21 PM

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By the way. Have you ever heard Bronco bad mouth any player who left BYU or recruit who chose another school.

One of the things that make Bronco so likable is that shows a personal respect to everyone he addresses. He is calm, level-headed and will give you (anyone) the benefit of a doubt. Look at that guy on KSL 5 Tom Kirkland. Bronco has shown more respect than Kirkland ever gave in return and yet will still talk to Kirkland as if he is an equal.

BYU71 · 08-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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One of the things that make Bronco so likable is that shows a personal respect to everyone he addresses. He is calm, level-headed and will give you (anyone) the benefit of a doubt. Look at that guy on KSL 5 Tom Kirkland. Bronco has shown more respect than Kirkland ever gave in return and yet will still talk to Kirkland as if he is an equal.

I have a friend who is not a BYU fan. Actually I would say he dislikes BYU. However, he ended up playing with Bronco in a golf tournament. He had just seen Bronco through the press. After playing with him he told me he really likes him. Said he is intense and a competitor, but not your typical arrogant holier than though BYU guy.

He actually said he so impressed by Bronco that he now pulls for the football team.

Rickomatic · 08-21-2007, 05:36 PM

My FIL is a big time Uof U guy. He is into business proptery and had a chance to play a round with Bronco. I was chomping at the bit to go with him, but was strongly rebuffed (I think my FIL was afraid I would slobber or something). After the morning round, my FIL called me and told me that Bronco was not a real Cougar because was a truly honest, nice guy. He was not a big talker and just wanted the conversation to not focus on him or football. I think he made my FIL a fan, but not of BYU, just him.

Insensitive PAP · 08-21-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickomatic

My FIL is a big time Uof U guy. He is into business proptery and had a chance to play a round with Bronco. I was chomping at the bit to go with him, but was strongly rebuffed (I think my FIL was afraid I would slobber or something). After the morning round, my FIL called me and told me that Bronco was not a real Cougar because was a truly honest, nice guy. He was not a big talker and just wanted the conversation to not focus on him or football. I think he made my FIL a fan, but not of BYU, just him.

If they actually ever left their comfort zone, they'd realize that BYU people aren't actually the zoobs they think they are. This could be very unsettling, so it's best they just stay in the SLC bubble.

BYU71 · 08-21-2007, 06:25 PM

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If they actually ever left their comfort zone, they'd realize that BYU people aren't actually the zoobs they think they are. This could be very unsettling, so it's best they just stay in the SLC bubble.

Both fan bases suffer from the problem. The Utah Drunk and the BYU Zoob. Both are unrepresentitive of the fan base. However, they stand out like sore thumbs and therefor become representitive of the other schools fan base.

Quite frankly if I were a neutral observer, I would take the drunk. He is usually only that way on game day. The Zoob is zoobie constantly.

08-21-2007, 03:43 PM	#1
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	Did you read Harmon's article that talked about Hook's return. This is what impresses me about Bronco. He sounded very sincere about having Hooks back. He talked very positively about Hooks as a person. No image control here. The guy made a mistake. Bronco dealt out the punishment and it is over. I have expressed this before. My worry about Bronco came from the zealots who were taking what he said and then interpreting it for the world. I was afraid they might be right. Bronco will only recruit those who recruit BYU. To the zealots that meant we will recruit only the pure in heart. There were those who even thought we could win and pack the stadium with 90% RM's on the field. I could go on and on. Sure Bronco is a disciplinarian. That is great. I don't get the feeling though he does it out of spite, anger or some sense of moral superiority. I get the sense he truly believes it is right for his team and will make for a good football team. It is not about punishment, but keeping kids on the right track. By the way. Have you ever heard Bronco bad mouth any player who left BYU or recruit who chose another school.

08-21-2007, 04:20 PM	#2
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	The only thing that really matters is if Hooks has learned from his mistake and moves on with his life. I think you're correct about Mendenhall and the zealots. To me, Mendenhall does what he does because he feels it is what's best for his team. There really is nothing more to it. I If it causes zoobs to rally 'round the fire and sing praises and causes ALUFs to start weeping, wailing and gnashing their teeth, it just makes it that more entertaining. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

08-21-2007, 05:36 PM	#8
Rickomatic Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Jordan UT Posts: 319	My FIL is a big time Uof U guy. He is into business proptery and had a chance to play a round with Bronco. I was chomping at the bit to go with him, but was strongly rebuffed (I think my FIL was afraid I would slobber or something). After the morning round, my FIL called me and told me that Bronco was not a real Cougar because was a truly honest, nice guy. He was not a big talker and just wanted the conversation to not focus on him or football. I think he made my FIL a fan, but not of BYU, just him. __________________ "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain

08-21-2007, 04:24 PM	#3
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	I attended one of the Bronco firesides over the summer and I came away greatly impressed. He seems to have just the right balance of discipline and love for the players. He didn't pull many punches for booing fans, either.

08-21-2007, 04:26 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's too bad that cultural breakdown among polynesians in the United States sullies BYU. I'm sure it has nothing to do with BYU per se, but rather there must be all kinds of polys getting into trouble with the law that aren't playing college sports anywhere, and that is sad. I've lived with islanders, I speak an islander language, and criminals they are not.