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"When did you choose to be a heterosexual" vs "homosexual" is a poor analogy. It sounds very clever, but is really based on the false premise that heterosexuality and homosexuality are equal and co-normal sides of the same coin. They aren't.
Hetereosexuality is a normal, God-given, innate trait of humanity that, within the bounds the Lord has set, is encouraged to be given full expression. Homosexuality is a deviant form of sexuality, the full or partial expression of which is always sinful. I accept that there are some people who seem innately afflicted with this temptation through no fault of their own. This does not mean we should normalize it.
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Sophistry. Pure and simple. You intentionally obfuscate the discussion by waffling on a meaningless distinction between SSA vs. gay. And after denying ER's point, you concede the point (see bold), but reduce the argument to a debate over "most" vs. "some". Argh.
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Debates are won by solid logic, evidence, and reasoning, not by blandly calling everyone who disagrees with you "ignorant."
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None of which you have demonstrated consistently in this debate. See the next point.
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Also, you keep talking about exceptions and "representative samples" as though you have some evidence to that effect. Do you have any studies as to how many people say they choose to be gay vs. say they are born that way? If such studies exist, do we have any way to verify their claims one way or the other?
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There are countless studies in the scientific/academic literature to this effect. The overwhelming body of evidence points to SSA being innate, and not a choice for the majority of gays. But I love how you cleverly inserted that last sentence. This gives you a convenient out in case someone bothers to give you citations. The ultimate cop-out.