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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug
you arenot punishing those who are supposed to do something ,but fail to meet the demand???
so under which circumstances you probably might be inclined to consider punishment??
would you in any possiblity believe in a world free of punishment??? I explosively wish it could be true... but i am sorry itsnot .
I am certain you appreciate that in many cases ,punishment is a natural consequence of the act itself ....like when we fail to watch our diet , our health system would punish us with producing disease ...its just the way it is.
but honestly as a human being i could not hide my eagerness to have a world free of punishment ... just imagine to recieve 4ooo kcal each day for more than 30 years ,and not getting fat!!!
please let me help you to get acquainted with islamic mission system here in Iran ,so you would no longer be mistaken.
mission in islam isnot just a two year duty ,its a life time career and committment and the goal of every missionaries is to become an Ayatollah which indeed requaires extraordinary sincer effort to achive that .
An Ayatollah is someone who might be followed by ordinary people through thier lives , so they got to be ultra cautious owing to the ultra duty they have got to fullfill.
granted ,human being is fairly predisposed to the error and mistakes even in the last second of life ,due to the permanent presence of satan in matter of temptation.
but islam unlike with ( what is in mormon doctine) doesnot believe Satan wanted to require all people to do what was right (as you pointed out in your previous post) rather believes satan possesses the power to tempt human to do wrong or not doing right ,and that man could get empowered to deafet him , difficult job ,but still possible!
ergo we are witness of the human being superiority over angels in islam , since angels technically cannot do wrong ,but human being doesnot do wrong ,while he has the power and the will to do so.
in a side note ,missionaries who get well informed about thier tremendous task, are welcomed to leave the mission any time if they recognise they arenot able /willing to appropriately following islamic teachings ..so they wouldnot ended up ridiculing people's belief .
as the last few words .... islam never penalizes people/missionaries for their errors ,not even for thier mistakes ..just in case if they are pleaded guilty , hope you recognise the difference.
the thought i cannot get rid of is " whats the point of adding new memeber to the church by people that God and chris arenot just working for them "??
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No, there is a punishment. It just doesn't come from man. We assume that God is competent enough to do whatever needs to be done with a sinner, and we also believe heavily in the principle of forgiveness and repentence. I find it interesting that you seem to believe that if someone isn't physically harmed by another person for spiritual transgressions, there won't be any punishment at all. Is Allah incapable of punishment in Islamic belief?
I also find it interesting that you focus so heavily on the need for "punishment." This again goes back to my point that a fundamental disagreement we have on religion is that I believe we should follow God out of love; you appear to believe that we have to follow God out of fear of reprisal. For you, if there was no punishment, there would be no reason to do what God wanted. For me, if there was no punishment, there would still be a reason to do what God wanted: because I love God and want to grow closer to God even if I won't be punished for failing to do so.