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tooblue 11-11-2008 11:30 PM

Is there a Gay gene?
 
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"Since sexual orientation is such a complex trait, we're never going to find any one gene that determines whether someone is gay or not," says Mustanski. "It's going to be a combination of various genes acting together as well as possibly interacting with environmental influences."

Previous studies in male twins have suggested that between 40%-60% of the variability in sexual orientation is due to genes. The rest is thought to be due to environment and possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes.
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationshi...there-gay-gene

What happens if someone has such a genetic makeup but due to 'possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes' is not gay ... must that someone accept that he/she is gay and embrace homosexual behavior, because obviously 'choice' is not a variable?

SeattleUte 11-12-2008 12:28 AM

I would be surprised if it's that simple.

CardiacCoug 11-12-2008 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tooblue (Post 293942)
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationshi...there-gay-gene

What happens if someone has such a genetic makeup but due to 'possibly other biologic but nongenetic causes' is not gay ... must that someone accept that he/she is gay and embrace homosexual behavior, because obviously 'choice' is not a variable?

What people mean by "biologic but non-genetic causes" is the effects of infections and chemical exposures (in utero or after birth) as well as variations in autoimmunity that are not inherited. Just because something is non-genetic doesn't mean it's a choice. I'm not saying being gay is never a choice -- there are clearly some switch hitters out there.

SeattleUte 11-12-2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CardiacCoug (Post 293990)
there are clearly some switch hitters out there.

Do they choose their switch hitting facility? I think not.

CardiacCoug 11-12-2008 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 293991)
Do they choose their switch hitting facility? I think not.

I agree.

8ballrollin 11-12-2008 01:09 AM

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Parrot Head 11-12-2008 01:17 AM

Argh, 8ball beat me. I was going to go with Guess or Gitano. Definitely not Wrangler though.

tooblue 11-12-2008 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CardiacCoug (Post 293990)
What people mean by "biologic but non-genetic causes" is the effects of infections and chemical exposures (in utero or after birth) as well as variations in autoimmunity that are not inherited. Just because something is non-genetic doesn't mean it's a choice. I'm not saying being gay is never a choice -- there are clearly some switch hitters out there.

Are we precluding environmental factors ... ie the environment in which someone was raised, behaviors to which they may have had exposure?

tooblue 11-12-2008 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 293991)
Do they choose their switch hitting facility? I think not.

What if exposure as the result of abuse makes switch hitting a possibility? Clearly this is a complex issue. You have suggested it's not 'as simple as that' because perhaps you have prejudge the intent of my question, failed to read the article I linked to and summarily made a statement in contradiction.

What the article proves is that, perhaps, immutability is an impossibility because of the complexity of variables involved ... ergo it's not as simple as being born gay!

MikeWaters 11-12-2008 01:38 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sc...ewanted=1&_r=1


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