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Archaea 12-10-2009 06:34 PM

Climategate, researchers fudging the facts to fit the philosophy.
 
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/26269/

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The hundreds of private emails sent to and from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Britain show what some claim is a systematic attempt to fudge the facts by top climate change scientists.
Hmmmm, and we want to invest in intentionally dishonest people?

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“A lot of it wasn't a surprise to me because I already knew how these folks worked,” says Ross McKitrick, an associate professor of economics at the University of Guelph who specializes in environmental economics and climate change issues.

“It's a very defensive, combative group of people who don't engage with their critics in a constructive way. There's clear evidence in the emails of them manipulating the IPCC process—keeping evidence out of it that they disagreed with,” says McKitrick, who was a member of the Expert Review Process for the IPCC's Working Group 1.

Tex 12-10-2009 07:39 PM

Don't worry about it, Arch. We've been assured that it's much ado about nothing.

Archaea 12-10-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 308694)
Don't worry about it, Arch. We've been assured that it's much ado about nothing.

The fact that researchers feel the need to lie about the numbers and are not open to debate and discussion tells me all I need to know about man's impact global warming. Move along, nothing to see.

MikeWaters 12-10-2009 09:48 PM

Well just because some are lying cheats doesn't mean that there isn't a pure and wholesome global warming advocate out there.

Sort of like Utes. Most of them are despicable, but on occasion you will meet one who seems non-subhuman. [my apologies to the native American Utes, I do not refer to you, I refer to your unfortunate association with the University of Utah]

Archaea 12-10-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 308700)
Well just because some are lying cheats doesn't mean that there isn't a pure and wholesome global warming advocate out there.

Sort of like Utes. Most of them are despicable, but on occasion you will meet one who seems non-subhuman. [my apologies to the native American Utes, I do not refer to you, I refer to your unfortunate association with the University of Utah]

But the wholesome ones are not the ones sounding the alarm.

ute4ever 01-19-2010 10:35 PM

The National Climatic Data Center reported that the 2000s was the warmest decade on record, easily surpassing the previous hottest decade (the 1990s). In 2009, global surface temperatures were 1.01 degree above average, which researchers call fresh evidence that the planet may be warming at a potentially disastrous rate.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...nment-reports/

Archaea 01-19-2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 309287)
The National Climatic Data Center reported that the 2000s was the warmest decade on record, easily surpassing the previous hottest decade (the 1990s). In 2009, global surface temperatures were 1.01 degree above average, which researchers call fresh evidence that the planet may be warming at a potentially disastrous rate.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...nment-reports/

Are the changes anthropogenic? Is this based upon the false data? I note it is the government, which has a declared agenda, making this claim. Thus, in light of the inherent conflict of interest, the claim is suspect. Given that the most recent climategate reveals a tendency for these organizations to fabricate evidence, the declaration is also suspect for another reason.

As it is, I note from your article:

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- The 10th consecutive summer with above-normal temperatures in the U.S. Northwest.
- Record winter drought in Texas.
- The deadliest February tornado in Oklahoma history.
- The largest wildfire in Los Angeles County history.
- Most active tornado season in a decade in Louisiana and Alabama.
- New seasonal snowfall records for Spokane, Wash., and International Falls, Minn.
- Worst deluge in decades in northern Brazil, affecting 186,000 people.
- Heavy rainfall in northern Argentina, causing a landslide affecting 20,000 people.
- Disastrous floods triggered by heavy rain in Central Europe.
- Britain's heaviest snowstorm since 1991.
- Extratropical storm Klaus (similar to a category 3 hurricane) kills 30 in France and Spain.
- Heaviest snowfall in northern China in 55 years.
- Typhoons batter the Philippines causing fatal flooding.
- More than 600 die in the deadliest typhoon to hit Taiwan in five decades.

ute4ever 01-21-2010 02:58 PM

Here are a series of photos taken decades apart, showing some glaciers losing several miles of ice:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T2

Tex 01-21-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 309381)
Here are a series of photos taken decades apart, showing some glaciers losing several miles of ice:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T2

You didn't answer two of Arch's good questions:

Are the changes anthropogenic? Is this based upon the false data?

Archaea 01-21-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 309381)
Here are a series of photos taken decades apart, showing some glaciers losing several miles of ice:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T2

Interesting but no guarantee that we're having a photo from the same perspective. For example, the Muir Glacier photo looks to be positioned from a different vantage point.

Are there glaciers which are growing?

I seem to remember we once had an ice age, what happened, did the earth warm? Was the warming out of the ice age anthropogenic?


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