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MikeWaters 04-15-2015 09:51 PM

I really enjoyed listening to Givens in person.

I find his writing to be ponderous and hard to read. I've started and failed to finish two of his books.

BlueK 04-20-2015 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 319870)
I really enjoyed listening to Givens in person.

I find his writing to be ponderous and hard to read. I've started and failed to finish two of his books.

I haven't read anything else by him, so I don't know how this one compares to his other stuff. It does take a little more work to read it than most things. He seems to try to pack a lot into it and uses some unusual word choices. Not a light read but not boring.

ChinoCoug 04-21-2015 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 319870)
I really enjoyed listening to Givens in person.

I find his writing to be ponderous and hard to read. I've started and failed to finish two of his books.

He sounds the same speaking and writing to me. And he is among the most engaging writers I've read.

BlueK 04-23-2015 08:20 PM

Reading this is reminding me that I just prefer the LDS concept of God (and Christ) over that of other Christian traditions. For example, I don't believe that a God who obeys laws diminishes his greatness in the least. It's interesting reading about how the theological debates on these issues developed over the centuries and how Joseph Smith usually went against the grain on many of them.

ChinoCoug 04-24-2015 03:17 PM

The takedown of original sin was epic.

MikeWaters 04-27-2015 07:32 PM

I picked up "The God Who Weeps" again this past weekend.

I find it really hard to follow his (their) writing. He'll make a point, then he'll follow up with a quote from some historical figure, then an excerpt from literature, and then a couple more points. And then a quote from someone else. It's like a pastiche of notecards that he made on a topic, and he's trying to find a way to put them all into a chapter.

There's no flow. And there's no story.

So I find myself getting bored and wanting to skip ahead.

It's not that there isn't gold there, it's just that the gold per cubic yard of dirt isn't high enough.

BlueK 04-27-2015 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 319904)
I picked up "The God Who Weeps" again this past weekend.

I find it really hard to follow his (their) writing. He'll make a point, then he'll follow up with a quote from some historical figure, then an excerpt from literature, and then a couple more points. And then a quote from someone else. It's like a pastiche of notecards that he made on a topic, and he's trying to find a way to put them all into a chapter.

There's no flow. And there's no story.

So I find myself getting bored and wanting to skip ahead.

It's not that there isn't gold there, it's just that the gold per cubic yard of dirt isn't high enough.

That doesn't seem to describe how this book is organized.

ChinoCoug 04-28-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueK (Post 319895)
Reading this is reminding me that I just prefer the LDS concept of God (and Christ) over that of other Christian traditions. For example, I don't believe that a God who obeys laws diminishes his greatness in the least. It's interesting reading about how the theological debates on these issues developed over the centuries and how Joseph Smith usually went against the grain on many of them.

Almost all his stances have a precedent, however (with the exception of polytheism).

BlueK 07-17-2015 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug (Post 319908)
Almost all his stances have a precedent, however (with the exception of polytheism).

Good point. One of my favorites is pre-earth life. Origen of Alexandria one of the most influential Christian theologians of the 2nd century and had a view of it that is not far off from the LDS idea. He was mainstream in his day but was then later labeled heretical a few centuries later.

ChinoCoug 07-21-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueK (Post 320087)
Good point. One of my favorites is pre-earth life. Origen of Alexandria one of the most influential Christian theologians of the 2nd century and had a view of it that is not far off from the LDS idea. He was mainstream in his day but was then later labeled heretical a few centuries later.

But I think he got it from Plato.


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