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MikeWaters 06-09-2008 07:26 PM

Darron Smith to be on RadioWest on Wed. 11am and 7pm MST
 
Darron Smith is one of the movers and shakers on the issue of blacks and the church, and he is the one that lit my fire on this issue. He showed me the way.

http://www.kuer.org/#radiowest%20schedule

I sent him the link from Lesson 31, Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, about miscegenation. He did not know about it, and wasn't pleased with it. Nor am I. I wonder if he will mention it in the broadcast.

Indy Coug 06-09-2008 07:30 PM

To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

MikeWaters 06-09-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 229941)
To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

UtahDan 06-09-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 229941)
To interpret that as anti-miscegenation is inaccurate. Anti-miscegenation has a connotation of being immoral and/or illegal. Neither is the case; unless you think President Kimball was saying that marrying someone of different educational background or social class is immoral and/or illegal.

It doesn't have either of those connotations. It simply means against the marriage of people who are not of the same race. I agree it was not illegal.

Indy Coug 06-09-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 229946)
So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

WHAT? We're talking about a quote by President Kimball in the preisthood manual. That has NOTHING to do with Bob Jones.

MikeWaters 06-09-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 229948)
WHAT? We're talking about a quote by President Kimball in the preisthood manual. That has NOTHING to do with Bob Jones.

Ah, that's the thing. You don't see the connection between Bob Jones U.'s policy and the recommendation put forward by the church in the priesthood manual.

When there comes to be heat over this, the church will take it out. And that's what I am working towards.

Indy Coug 06-09-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 229946)
So Bob Jones University former prohibition on mixed race dating was not anti-miscegenation?

(I'm wonder how far you will bend backwards to accommodate your view that it isn't racist).

For you to isolate the racial component of what President Kimball said robs his comment of its true context. Why did he list those items? Because they were all "risk factors" in marriage that led to higher rates of divorce.

The MSNBC article you cited earlier documented that very fact.

MikeWaters 06-09-2008 07:40 PM

I don't know if it is higher or not. I haven't read the study, and I've read elsewhere that the studies in this area are poor.

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: because of racial differences you will fail. Problem is I don't buy the premise, and what I see is a lot of prejudice directed towards these kinds of couples making it that much tougher.

When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

Indy Coug 06-09-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 229954)
When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

When can the little boy stop crying "Wolf!"?

Archaea 06-09-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 229954)
I don't know if it is higher or not. I haven't read the study, and I've read elsewhere that the studies in this area are poor.

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy: because of racial differences you will fail. Problem is I don't buy the premise, and what I see is a lot of prejudice directed towards these kinds of couples making it that much tougher.

When can the church finally abandon racist ideology in its official literature? I am going to publish this FAR and WIDE.

I don't buy race bearing on success in marriage, but I do imagine cultural differences can impact success within a marriage.


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