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Jeff Lebowski 05-05-2008 05:10 AM

Steven Jones Update
 
From today's Deseret News:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695275973,00.html

Basically, it is an update on the sad, pathetic journey of Steven Jones and the empty shell of his career. Like all grand-conspiracy theorists, he bounces from one dubious tidbit to the next; always finding one additional piece of minutiae to latch onto as each of his questions is systematically repudiated. What an embarrassment to BYU and Stanford.

As an example of how crazy this all is, his foil-capped groupies have been completely energized by the fact that he was finally "published in a peer-reviewed civil engineering journal". They obviously feel vindication that the "truth" is finally starting to be recognized by the scientific community. But this is more nonsense. Here is a copy of this so-called paper:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...1/35TOCIEJ.SGM

First of all, this is not a well-respected civil engineering journal. This is where one goes when one is really desperate for a "peer-reviewed" publication. More importantly, this is NOT his original paper that garnered so much controversy. In fact, it is not even a research paper. It is simply a "letter" (see the abstract) outlining fourteen points where the authors agree with the NIST report and concluding with an appeal for more cooperation in the investigation. Vindication? Not even close.

Interestingly, former-Prof. Jones say he is moving to Sanpete County. I am guessing he will find a receptive audience there.

MikeWaters 05-05-2008 12:43 PM

why does the article say that the people charged with figuring out how the buildings collapsed can't say why?

Jeff Lebowski 05-05-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 217157)
why does the article say that the people charged with figuring out how the buildings collapsed can't say why?

Perhaps because that's what Steven Jones told him and Tad Walch is not a good enough reporter to double-check.

Indy Coug 05-05-2008 01:53 PM

Good ol' Steven Jones. My Physics 122 professor.

MikeWaters 05-05-2008 02:03 PM

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12538

It was apparently a letter from NIST to Jones et al.

MikeWaters 05-05-2008 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski (Post 217166)
Perhaps because that's what Steven Jones told him and Tad Walch is not a good enough reporter to double-check.

In your desire to criticize Jones, you've committed the error that you accuse Walch of committing: not double-checking.

http://journalof911studies.com/volum...urleyEtal2.pdf

Amazing that because firefighters did not see explosives, there were no explosives!

Does that count as rigorous thinking?

Indy Coug 05-05-2008 02:15 PM

So what do the 911 conspiracy nutjobs think was the intended fate of Flight 93? What government demolition job did those passengers thwart?

Jeff Lebowski 05-05-2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 217175)
So what do the 911 conspiracy nutjobs think was the intended fate of Flight 93? What government demolition job did those passengers thwart?

They think there was no Flight 93. They think that the crater in Pa. was caused by a missile. And that the cell phone calls home to relatives were all done by actors involved in the conspiracy.

Indy Coug 05-05-2008 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski (Post 217176)
They think there was no Flight 93. They think that the crater in Pa. was caused by a missle. And that the cell phone calls home to relatives were all done by actors involved in the conspiracy.

Are you serious?

Jeff Lebowski 05-05-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 217171)
In your desire to criticize Jones, you've committed the error that you accuse Walch of committing: not double-checking.

http://journalof911studies.com/volum...urleyEtal2.pdf

Amazing that because firefighters did not see explosives, there were no explosives!

Does that count as rigorous thinking?

LOL.

Piecing together the exact sequence of events of the collapse is a forensic exercise. The NIST letter admits that they don't have a perfect understanding of 100% of the details (which is to be expected). Jones twists this around to imply that they "don't know why the towers collapsed." But the overwhelming body of evidence is that the towers collapsed due to the impact of the planes and the subsequent fires.

BTW, the NIST is only one of many groups that studied the collapse.


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