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Mormon Red Death 04-28-2008 05:02 PM

A question regarding the 40 days and 40 Nights Fast of Jesus
 
Why did he need to fast for 40 days and 40 nights? Could he not be tempted without the fasting? Do we all have to go through a similar experience to be close to god? He is the example right?

Any thoughts on this?

Archaea 04-28-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death (Post 214159)
Why did he need to fast for 40 days and 40 nights? Could he not be tempted without the fasting? Do we all have to go through a similar experience to be close to god? He is the example right?

Any thoughts on this?

You're assuming "he needed it" as opposed to examining as it, as "it happened so."

Not trying to be a jerk, but just examining. Is this a true event, or an exaggeration?

Cali Coug 04-28-2008 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death (Post 214159)
Why did he need to fast for 40 days and 40 nights? Could he not be tempted without the fasting? Do we all have to go through a similar experience to be close to god? He is the example right?

Any thoughts on this?

I read a while ago that "40" did not actually mean "40" but rather meant "many," and thus is the reason it appears so frequently in stories in the Bible. As for why he fasted, I think it is because it is an eternal principle that brings blessings and Satan took advantage of the time to further tempt him.

Spaz 04-28-2008 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 214212)
You're assuming "he needed it" as opposed to examining as it, as "it happened so."

Not trying to be a jerk, but just examining. Is this a true event, or an exaggeration?

The potential reasons behind doing so are numerous, and not particularly interesting, IMO.

I choose to believe He did it because He was asked to, and Satan chose this time to tempt him due to his unusual state of physical weakness. In other words, Christ didn't fast so he could be tempted. It was simply the moment Satan chose to do so.

And that's not to say that was the only time Christ was tempted...

Mormon Red Death 04-28-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 214212)
You're assuming "he needed it" as opposed to examining as it, as "it happened so."

Not trying to be a jerk, but just examining. Is this a true event, or an exaggeration?

Are you saying its a story like Job?

Mormon Red Death 04-28-2008 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaz (Post 214224)
The potential reasons behind doing so are numerous, and not particularly interesting, IMO.

I choose to believe He did it because He was asked to, and Satan chose this time to tempt him due to his unusual state of physical weakness. In other words, Christ didn't fast so he could be tempted. It was simply the moment Satan chose to do so.

And that's not to say that was the only time Christ was tempted...

the thing I find interesting is that we don't have a ritual relating to this. I would consider this a very important part of Christ's life yet for us there is nothing to relate us to this experience. Unless one conisders the monthly fast as our comparison to this

Archaea 04-28-2008 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 214221)
I read a while ago that "40" did not actually mean "40" but rather meant "many," and thus is the reason it appears so frequently in stories in the Bible. As for why he fasted, I think it is because it is an eternal principle that brings blessings and Satan took advantage of the time to further tempt him.

Matthew 4:2

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καὶ νηστεύσας ἡμέρας τεσσεράκοντα καὶ νύκτας τεσσεράκοντα ὕστερον ἐπείνασεν
tesserakonta means forty the last time I checked. According to the Greek, the word forty is used. Perhaps Solon or AA will contradict me and if so, believe them not me.

Spaz 04-28-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death (Post 214233)
the thing I find interesting is that we don't have a ritual relating to this. I would consider this a very important part of Christ's life yet for us there is nothing to relate us to this experience. Unless one conisders the monthly fast as our comparison to this

1. What sort of ritual would you suggest?

2. Why would the monthly (or even the unscheduled fasts for revelation/healing/etc.) not apply as the ritual?

Mormon Red Death 04-28-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaz (Post 214247)
1. What sort of ritual would you suggest?

2. Why would the monthly (or even the unscheduled fasts for revelation/healing/etc.) not apply as the ritual?

I'm not saying there has to be I was just wondering why we don't have one.

we get baptized to follow christ. We get the gift of the holy ghost as the ritual associated with the Dove ascending after his baptism. We take the sacrament as the ritual associated with his sacrifice. We have the endowment as the ritual associated with the mount of transfiguration. Yet with his 40 days spriitual awakening we have no ritual associated with it. It just seems rather odd.

All-American 04-28-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 214236)
Matthew 4:2



tesserakonta means forty the last time I checked. According to the Greek, the word forty is used. Perhaps Solon or AA will contradict me and if so, believe them not me.

It is forty, and it means forty, just like "myriad" means thousand. The idea here being cited I have actually heard before, that they would say "forty" days when they meant "many." "Myriad" similarly means "thousand", but can just as easily mean "countless."

My understanding, anyway.


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