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MikeWaters 01-30-2008 04:20 AM
You have Iowa to thank for Romney's poor fortune
 
Iowa gave their prize to a two-bit huckster that I wouldn't buy toothpaste from. The guy is scary ignorant and scary uninformed.

But we will look back and realize that that was the moment that Romney was screwed.

8ballrollin 01-30-2008 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 179525)
Iowa gave their prize to a two-bit huckster that I wouldn't buy toothpaste from. The guy is scary ignorant and scary uninformed.

But we will look back and realize that that was the moment that Romney was screwed.
For the last several weeks Huck has been playing the role of spoiler - his only intention to have Romney lose in FLA, while at the same time being McCain’s lap dog. If he goes on, it is only to take more votes from Romney on Tues.

SeattleUte 01-30-2008 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 179525)
Iowa gave their prize to a two-bit huckster that I wouldn't buy toothpaste from. The guy is scary ignorant and scary uninformed.

But we will look back and realize that that was the moment that Romney was screwed.
Romney did it to himself. He made a Faustian bargain, sold his soul to the Christian right, to the Devil. He could have gone toe to toe with McCain and Giuliani for the good conservatives. Both are flawed candidates. Instead, he betrayed us good conservatives. I could have loved Romney, he could have been a star, he could have been president.

8ballrollin 01-30-2008 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 179566)
Romney did it to himself. He made a Faustian bargain, sold his soul to the Christian right, to the Devil. He could have gone toe to toe with McCain and Giuliani for the good conservatives. Both are flawed candidates. Instead, he betrayed us good conservatives. I could have loved Romney, he could have been a star, he could have been president.
I think this is true, to some extent. It's also on Rove. Rove created the Christian Right into a must win constituency for Rs during both of W's runs for the WH.

Romney's team made the mistake of prioritizing the Christian Right vote ABOVE showing his strengths - a competent technocrat and pragmatic businessman. But there was a vacuum and someone had to capture that group.

From Time...
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Unfortunately for him, it is a person who the candidate has hidden for much of the campaign, as he tried to present himself not as the person he is, but the product he thought he should be. Thanks to that miscalculation, voters in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire were bombarded with television ads and direct mail about "strength" and "optimism," his distain for illegal immigration and the three-legged stool of the conservative coalition he only joined in the last few years. His long jaw and his toothy smile ruled the airwaves. He attacked his opponents with abandon.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...707342,00.html

SeattleUte 01-30-2008 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin (Post 179611)
From Time...

"Unfortunately for him, it is a person who the candidate has hidden for much of the campaign, as he tried to present himself not as the person he is, but the product he thought he should be. Thanks to that miscalculation, voters in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire were bombarded with television ads and direct mail about "strength" and "optimism," his distain for illegal immigration and the three-legged stool of the conservative coalition he only joined in the last few years. His long jaw and his toothy smile ruled the airwaves. He attacked his opponents with abandon."


http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...707342,00.html
I freaking love that quote. Karma!

Archaea 01-30-2008 04:06 PM
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I freaking love that quote. Karma!
Romney ran a lousy campaign.

If he had stuck to what won him Mass he would have been a much better candidate. Going for the Christian Right was a cardinal mistake.

jay santos 01-30-2008 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 179788)
Romney ran a lousy campaign.

If he had stuck to what won him Mass he would have been a much better candidate. Going for the Christian Right was a cardinal mistake.
I don't think you could say that.

He's intelligent and talented and has money.

But he had a lot against him. Mormon, mixed reviews of his limited experience in goverment, not terribly charismatic, and his name recognition was nill compared to his competition.

Archaea 01-30-2008 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 179791)
I don't think you could say that.

He's intelligent and talented and has money.

But he had a lot against him. Mormon, mixed reviews of his limited experience in goverment, not terribly charismatic, and his name recognition was nill compared to his competition.
What good did going after a group who will never embrace us? We should ignore those bastards and stand for something else.

He should have stood for fiscal acumen, balanced treatment amongst the ethnic groups, amnesty and a meaningful control of immigration, and host of other things. Instead he let the Republican wackos tell him he needed those f...ups from the Christian Right. I hope the Christian Right dies a death and is never heard from again. They have killed the Republican Party but not moderating.

Tex 01-30-2008 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin (Post 179611)
Romney's team made the mistake of prioritizing the Christian Right vote ABOVE showing his strengths - a competent technocrat and pragmatic businessman. But there was a vacuum and someone had to capture that group.
I don't quite understand this need politicians have to appear they're someone they're not. They all do it, and it's not necessarily dishonest although it seems so transparent. Think Hillary's fake southern accent.

Romney did it with his "lifelong hunter" and "varmint" lines, among others, and it annoyed me. Just be yourself, man.

BlueK 01-30-2008 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 179791)
I don't think you could say that.

He's intelligent and talented and has money.

But he had a lot against him. Mormon, mixed reviews of his limited experience in goverment, not terribly charismatic, and his name recognition was nill compared to his competition.
He still went for the wrong group of voters. He needed to go for the economic conservatives and stuck to his strengths. Instead he transformed himself into a social conservative and few of them bought it.


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