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SoCalCoug 10-23-2008 05:33 AM

This thread truly frightens me
 
http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=4154833

Unfortunately, with my posting privileges on CB having been wrested from me for a season, I couldn't participate in this thread.

But some of the opinions expressed by some of the CB faithful in this thread truly scare me. In the sense that I'm worried that some of these people may hold significant church leadership callings, or may teach our children, or may have children of their own who they may raise to think like them.

For a church that places such importance on Truth, some of its members seem to have such loathing for truths and facts.

Maybe there really is some brainwashing going on within the church.

Jeff Lebowski 10-23-2008 01:48 PM

Indeed. It's unbelievable.

Tex 10-23-2008 02:15 PM

I love the token "prophets are wrong, see: blacks and the priesthood" line. Nice one, mpfunk.

Do you folks ever come up with new material?

jay santos 10-23-2008 02:19 PM

The more I look at the church now vs the church back in the day, it becomes clear that orthodoxy and blind obedience were not necessarily considered virtues back then where now they are clear measures of faithfulness. I'd like to hear more from SIEQ on this.

SoCalCoug 10-23-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 283286)
I love the token "prophets are wrong, see: blacks and the priesthood" line. Nice one, mpfunk.

Do you folks ever come up with new material?

Why do you even respond to my thread when you obviously think I have nothing significant to say?

Feel free to ignore this, Tex. Go back to your little world where all I do is take potshots.

BlueHair 10-23-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 283287)
The more I look at the church now vs the church back in the day, it becomes clear that orthodoxy and blind obedience were not necessarily considered virtues back then where now they are clear measures of faithfulness. I'd like to hear more from SIEQ on this.

It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

Tex 10-23-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueHair (Post 283291)
It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

Most folks still have D&C 1 in their scriptures. Did you tear yours out?

exUte 10-23-2008 02:39 PM

Depends on the leader. When you go against
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueHair (Post 283291)
It seems that obedience to God has somehow morphed into obedience to leaders. Outside of Tex, are there really that many people that literally believe when you disobey a leader, you are disobeying God?

the prophet, you are walking on dangerous ground. Unless of course you don't believe the prophet is truly a prophet. What do you think?

BlueHair 10-23-2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex (Post 283293)
Most folks still have D&C 1 in their scriptures. Did you tear yours out?

Man has proven untrustworthy. If you want to rely on someone else to do your thinking, it is your prerogative. There is nothing in D & C 1 that requires us to obey leaders or think that leaders are equivalent to God.

jay santos 10-23-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 283296)
the prophet, you are walking on dangerous ground. Unless of course you don't believe the prophet is truly a prophet. What do you think?


This is an example of what I'm talking about.

http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org...y/chapter9.htm

Quote:

Let me illustrate, again using musty documents, why historians are inclined to be skeptical of concepts of human infallibility. At the October 1843 conference in Nauvoo, Joseph Smith proposed to drop Sidney Rigdon as his counselor, but the conference refused. The vote was on a motion to sustain Rigdon. It was made by William Marks, whom we can dismiss because he later went wrong, but it was seconded by Hyrum Smith, Joseph's other counselor (HC 6:47-49). Which of the prophet-brothers was inspired?


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