Did This SP Go Too Far?
This newspaper article is getting alot of play today across the country. I just wonder if it would have been better for the SP not to make a public announcement:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/98035 |
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He said he intends to continue to accompany his wife, Nancy, to ward services. “It is tough to go, tough to attend, but I enjoy the fellowship,” he said. He said he has no desire to join another church, adding that the Mormon faith has many merits, such as its strong family values and its internationally recognized welfare system to help those in need. |
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Another guy who freaked out when he found out that the church has been white-washing its history.
That's why when discuss these controversial things on CG, we are actually doing the right thing, not the wrong thing. |
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I wonder what could be gained from the public announcement? |
I don't have a problem with the public announcement. I think in D&C things are instructed to be much more public than they are typically done now.
For example, a person is supposed to confess their sins in front of the whole church. But we don't do that. |
This is a lot like the case in Eagle Mountain we talked about before. My parents bishop announced to everyone in the ward to stay away from his family and beware his teachings.
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As noted in the article, such an announcement is rare, but apparently deemed necessary in this case. I understand the reasons why the church would feel a need to do so. |
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Geez, if their testimonies are that fragile, how they going to make it when the real trials come. |
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For heck sakes, I don't know for sure if you are a leader or not and I can listen to your stuff and not damage my testimony. Now if a guy is going around proclaiming to being a leader and spouting off falsehoods, then I would surely want to get it out he does not speak for the church. Since it isn't church policy to out excommunicated members, I think you can be assured this is the SP's idea of what needs to be done and wouldn't be something done by all SP's. He is the SP and has the right to do what he did. If I were in his Stake I would still raise my right hand and sustain him. Fortunately saying I sustain him doesn't mean I have to agree with him. |
Very odd situation which might have been avoided through historical innoculation.
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Actually, his little rant about losing his faith in the church due to his historical research sounds very familiar after hanging out in this Den of Innoculation. |
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One effect will be to humiliate the mans family. I actually have much more sympathy for them than him. He is apparently public about the fact that he doesn't believe in the church any longer so I can't fathom why he would care whether it was announced in sacrament meeting or on a full page ad in the newspaper, unless it is out of concern for his family. |
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It certainly is strange and not everything adds up. |
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However, I find you a little out of it too. I don't know when this guy went on a mission, but I didn't find out about Joseph Smiths multiple wives until long after my mission. Back in the 60's we didn't care about those things. I can also guarantee you many false things were taught as doctrine with the intended desire to keep the truth away from people who might have weak testimonies. It can be a little sobering to grow up believing one thing and finding out you were being misled. Misled by people you were told would never misleed you. I am not speaking of the brethern here, but leaders in wards and Stakes. Fortunately I learned that for myself and when I found out the brethern also mispoke, it wasn't a big deal. |
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As has been said before, the foundational claims of the church (and any religion) are fantastic and require faith to be believed. The point being that incorporating the truth into the narrative could be subtly accomplished and it would require no more faith to believe the full story that the partial story. I don't see it as a big deal, I'm just not sure why we hold back on these things. In my business when someone is hiding something I usually assume that it must be bad for them else why hide it. I just don't see how this is bad for the church and while I wouldn't say it is "hiding it" it is at least obscuring it through omission. I certainly don't presume to counsel the brethren, i just don't see what the big deal about being open on this issue is. |
Krakauer's book hit Finderson like a ton of bricks as well. So I don't think it is terribly uncommon for members to be shocked.
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1. He held public leadership positions 2. He is vocal about his views 3. He has openly apostasized 4. He intends on remaining "active" (such as it is) That seems like recipe for confusion among those less spiritually mature than BYU71. Quote:
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I like the idea he is remaining active. It can be a useful provokation.
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That being said I am sure his family would have suffered whatever embarrassment they will suffer whether the leaders read his name in church or not. It is not as if these things don't become popular on the relief society gossip circuit. |
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If it had been left up to the imagination of the sisters, he could be a well known Don Jaun in the area. A cheating SOB. |
how could a guy who just found out that JS had more than one wife be a threat. He must be a mental midget.
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I am greatful for my ward leaders and parents. Countless inaccuracies coming to light have not injured me. |
I recall the Petersons growing up. They taught a sunday school class when I was about 14 or so. They were great. They were Mormon liberals, and would slip in a juicy fact or two during their lessons. Stuff that had been carefully hidden from us up until that point. I can't remember any examples, but stuff like "Joseph Smith had more than one wife you know". I don't know if it was that, but stuff that made your eyebrows raise a little.
I remember that they were taken in by the bishopric and reprimanded. I can't remember if they were released or just told to not mention stuff like that again. Thank you Br. and Sister Peterson for telling the truth. |
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However, he is unique in Eagle Mountain. He pays his phone and internet bill. Monthly, and not one check has bounced! |
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There has to be more to this story than what is being reported. There is no way a guy in his 40's who is cognizant was unaware of what he claims he was unaware of. |
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This guy is a total donkey's arse.
How stupid can you be to grow up in the Mormon Church and be an EQ president 4 times, and not know that JS had wives up the yin yang? And I wouldn't expect the Church to advertise it either. This is the biggest problem for people who are so certain about their "testimonies." In my opinion, the first step in gaining a genuine testimony is to admit that we know basically nothing about supernatural things, and that other people also know basically nothing (including prophets). The other thing this guy doesn't get is that if he wants it to be true, then that's all that matters. Alma nailed that one. I just take the things that I want to be true, and I keep wanting them to be true (e.g. polygamy in heaven). And the other things that I don't want to be true, I continue not wanting them to be true (e.g. getting sent to the telestial kingdom for masturbation). |
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I get really tired of reading about people's journeys of discovery...e.g. when they found out that JS did the nasty with a teenager in a barn, etc, and how they realized they couldn't belong to a Church that was founded by a hypersexual bipolar prophet. I don't believe people are Mormon because the JS story (with visions, angels, plates, etc.) is easy to believe. I think people are Mormon because they like being Mormon. And I don't believe people leave Mormonism because the JS story is hard to believe. People quit being Mormon because they don't like being Mormon. That's the way I see things, anyway. |
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