McCain will win
 

Count on it. If he doesn't, you guys can feel free to give me a considerable amount of grief for being wrong.

That would be shocking. How do you think he would get to 270? It is almost impossible at this point, barring almost universal mistakes in polling.

Awesome. Pre-emptive admission of error *and* permission to mock mercilessly, too. That's gotta be a CG first.

Did you ever decide if you were going to write-in Hillary?

His sources say yes.

Man, you are tightly wound.

Unlike certain Montgomery County ,Ohio Diebold voting machines...

Abuse of asterisks. 15 Yard Penalty and an automatic first down.

Incidental. Five yards.

It's that hustle and bustle California lifestyle. So many causes, so little time. I nice vacation to pastoral Ohio is in order, but don't assume YO's doors are open to visitors.

My thread. My rules. Plus, it's become a bad habit of yours. Very unbecoming of a librarian.

All I can say is Obama better have the kickassest administration ever, or I'm going to be eating an awful lot of crow for the next four years. My entire family and several friends are now resorting to unabashed lobbying to try to talk me out of voting socialist.

Your crow will all be eaten in one dose on Wednesday after John McCain is announced as our President-elect!

I imagine the honeymoon will be short. The guy has promised you the moon.

Well you're too fun to dislike, even if you are a socialist. If it weren't for your crime fighting outfit, you'd have hell to pay.

I dont care about his administration, but I AM interested in seeing whether he converts the White House into a mosque.

There's no incidental facemasks anymore...they're ALL 15 yards. :)

The next president is DOA. You are eating crow no matter what. Neither Bronco Mendenhall nor Lavell Edwards could turn this mess around in 4 years.

What about Bobby Ross?

Yeah, I know.

Though I must say that Bob has turned around worse messes than this. Of course, he'd be awfully weak on defense.

I didn't figure it was facemask. It was more of roughing an asterisk.

I agree. Utah is a lock.

Can you point me to any presidential candidate in our lifetimes (use mine, for maximum coverage) who didn't overpromise?

Some more than others, to be sure. I remember Carter doing so in '76, and W did so in 2000. A few days ago, I came across an e-mail from a friend from my youth. He was a rabid liberal in high school and he and I would go at it all the time. Sometime after his years at Cal, he took a huge right turn. A few days before the 2000 election I expressed serious misgivings about W, even though I ended up voting for him. My erstwhile friend sent me the following reassuring e-mail a few days before that election:

"I'll get back to you tomorrow, but hang in there with my man Dubya. He'll do just fine. Remember what a bonehead we former liberals all thought Reagan was, but by the time he ran for President he got my vote twice. Same with GeorgeW -- he is more conservative than his father, and is
only toning down his message because the press wants him to look like a fire-breather. Wait until he gets in with a Republican Congress -- let's see, a flat tax (or consumption), IRS restriction, school vouchers, prayer allowed at football games, three or four right-thinking justices on the Supreme Court, a rebuilt military (and get rid of all women, they're warriors godammit), etc. How's that for starters? We have never had this condition in our or our parents' lifetimes - Republican President and Congress. Please don't give up hope. We can do it." A prophet my friend was not.

On the other hand, I had to smile at a news report this morning that Obama has put together a team whose principal function is to lower expectations for his first term. Duh. Ironically, Sarah Palin would require no such team.

All candidates overpromise, sure. But though I'm not one for historical hyperbole, I can't think of a presidential candidate who had a thinner resume, who promised more.

And you're dangling a bit of a herring, having your friend put words in Bush's mouth. I don't recall Bush ever promising to get rid of women in the military, or pass a flat tax, maybe you can jog my memory with some real quotes. He did appoint two judicial conservatives to the bench, and the prosecution of the wars aside, I think he did more to rebuild the military than Clinton did to destroy it. Rumsfeld tried valiantly to make the military more lean and responsive than in its (then current) Cold War configuration.

But let's not make this about Bush (YET AGAIN) shall we? Do you disagree that Obamamoonies are exceptionally over-expectant, or not?

Of course they are, as supporters tend to be (see, e.g., my friend's comments).

BTW, though I realize this will provide no deterrent to you, I think the Limbaugh-esque plays on names that exUte, Snipe, and apparently you, find so endearing are both insipid and belie a lack of confidence. And yes, I feel very much the same way about lefties who do the same, and for that matter, the endless references by sports fans in the rivalry to Kryle, Donko, etc.

I read zingers like "Obamamoonies" and think, "man, this guy's got nothin'." You can offer some compelling arguments; don't blow it.

Sorry, bad question. Certainly some supporters of any candidate go over the top.

I simply believe this election has a disproportionate share, due in large part to Obama setting himself up as the Messiah.

What if it's not a set-up? Boy will you be sorry when you find yourself left behind.

the PacMan speaketh.

I am just asking a question. He said McCain will win. That's fine. He could be right. I am more interested in seeing how he got to his conclusion than I am in his conclusion. Nothing tightly wound about it.

Except it wasn't a conclusion. It was a joke.

I can see that happening. Still alot of undecideds - if Obama hasn't sealed the deal yet with them he never will. I think they go for McCain, IF they show up.

Also, polls always overstate for dems because of the young people. "Likely voters" who never show up to the polls.

I still think Obama wins, but at some level, I just can't accept that we'll actually vote in someone so liberal as him as President. There's gotta be a few republican leaning folks (like PAC?) who are Obama supporters that have a gut check in the booth that goes something like this: "okay, McC sucks and W screwed the pooch, and maybe it's time to give a democrat a shot, but do I really want someone as liberal and green as THIS democrat?" I think a few will switch.

Here's a fun example of an "undecided":

God save our nation if it comes down to geniuses like these.

Hey I came up with Obamoonies some time last May, on this very board! That's my line and it was clever dammit! myboynoah gave me props so your scorn means nothing to me. Nothing!

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...67&postcount=4

BTW, I have a fun family joke you can start using. Whenever you disagree with the church on an issue, you can say that you're just spending Tuesdays with Morrie.

In reverse order, the Morrie comment was excellent and I intend to misappropriate it without attribution. Which leads to your first comment... Have I told you about our firm's excellent practice in the field of copyright infringment? I'd be willing to take the case against Tex. By familial edict, we offer discounted fees to Carbon County natives.

And btw, most plays on names range from anywhere okay to awesome, the first time. But the half-life of their utility can typically be measured in nanoseconds, exUte's delightful misspelling of Ohbama notwithstanding.

I appreciate the offer, but I respectfully decline. Tex and I are fellow souljas in the righteous battle against Barbara Gordon.

Wow, I hadn't heard that one before.

This phrase will be the midpoint along the linear continuum of all online smack.

Before "Ohbama," all smack was preparatory to the coming of the Great Smack. After 'Ohbama," all smack is meaningless wordplay.

It's really sad how politics has turned everybody except for me into a bit of a jerk. And I must say, it's tempting to fight back, to be dragged down by my opponents, to participate in politics as usual. But I refuse to resort to partisan mudslinging. I refuse to allow others to use personal attacks in an attempt to distract from the real issues facing Cougarguard.

I could, like YOhio has in this post, use partisan rhetoric in an attempt to splinter this fine board -- to separate us into blue and red, Cougar and Ute, Mormon and gentile, JD and MD. But not me. No, I like to think I follow the example of Barack in serving as a truly unifying figure for the board. After all, we are the ones we've been waiting for.

Hm... from the way I look at things, McCain has to win Virginia if he's going to have a good shot at winning. The way Virginia goes, the election goes imo.

I laugh every single time I hear Paul Begala referred to as "The Forehead."

Oh, we haven't even gotten started. In the face of PAC protestations, I plan to be as shallow as possible:

Obamoonies, Obamaniacs, Obamanation, Obamanormative, etc.