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SeattleUte 10-18-2007 03:25 PM

Mormonism's founding stories and your faith.
 
Which best describes the relationship between Mormonism's founding stories (as related by Joseph Smith) and your faith in Mormonism? Please vote.

creekster 10-18-2007 03:28 PM

Typical SU. Ask a question, leave no option to answer.

Archaea 10-18-2007 03:31 PM

Too binary, not enough grey or room for nuance.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 138091)
Too binary, not enough grey or room for nuance.

It says best describes. Pick the one that best describes you. If you find that poll too binary you're a wussy without convicitions. There are six options, some hardly differering from another.

Rickomatic 10-18-2007 03:36 PM

Pretty easy to answer

Archaea 10-18-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138097)
It says best describes. Pick the one that best describes you. If you find that poll too binary you're a wussy without convicitions. There are six options, some hardly differering from another.

Best describes requires a two-dimensional world. I live in the world four dimensionally.

First, do I believe in the literalness of all events? Do I disbelieve them all? No. Have I taken the time to quantify, more or less? No.

Did I once believe in them literally and do I now take some of them metaphorically, or do I suspend judgment now or then? The aspect of temporality is not adjusted for.

It is a poor poll.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 138102)
Best describes requires a two-dimensional world. I live in the world four dimensionally.

First, do I believe in the literalness of all events? Do I disbelieve them all? No. Have I taken the time to quantify, more or less? No.

Did I once believe in them literally and do I now take some of them metaphorically, or do I suspend judgment now or then? The aspect of temporality is not adjusted for.

It is a poor poll.

Somebody besides Archea tell him binary means TWO parts (not six).

Archaea 10-18-2007 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138104)
Somebody besides Archea tell him binary means TWO parts (not six).

Each answer is an all or nothing type answer with none making sense unless one is really devoid of nuance.

All computer programming is set up on a binary system despite billions and billions of connected binary code. Your question like computer code.

RC Vikings 10-18-2007 03:43 PM

SU you remind me of someone who has done something they are not sure about and hope others will follow to reaffirm that they did the right thing.

Archaea 10-18-2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RC Vikings (Post 138108)
SU you remind me of someone who has done something they are not sure about and hope others will follow to reaffirm that they did the right thing.

There remains a spark of doubt that he left something good behind.

creekster 10-18-2007 03:49 PM

He knows he left somethign good behind. THat's why he's here. He's trying to figure out why there is somethign good if he thinks it isn't true, and wants others to confimr that pat of his conlusion. THough he will deny it, it remains troubling to him at some level. Besides, what if Mor-mon is the right answer?

I will now leave all future psychoanalysis to MW.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 04:10 PM

This post is only to register disagreement with creekster and Archea's latest comments.

MikeWaters 10-18-2007 04:12 PM

SU was born in the covenant, he is the blood of Israel. He can no more shake away the gospel than a zebra can lose its stripes.

creekster 10-18-2007 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138137)
This post is only to register disagreement with creekster and Archea's latest comments.

I told you he'd deny it. See? I must be right.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 138140)
SU was born in the covenant, he is the blood of Israel. He can no more shake away the gospel than a zebra can lose its stripes.

Disagree.

tooblue 10-18-2007 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 138107)
Each answer is an all or nothing type answer with none making sense unless one is really devoid of nuance.

All computer programming is set up on a binary system despite billions and billions of connected binary code. Your question like computer code.

I support Archea in this argument ... your questions endeavor to disect an answer into prosecutable portions.

myboynoah 10-18-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 138153)
I told you he'd deny it. See? I must be right.

That logic has furthered a lot of causes.

I remember watching Roseanne Barr and Tom Arnold on Larry King one night (way back when they were an item and before they married that woman) and Roseanne was talking about her recovered memories of sexual abuse by her parents. When asked about confronting her parents, she noted that they vehemently denied the acusation, which Roseanne cited as concrete proof of their guilt.

Roseanne was funniest when she wasn't trying to be.

Indy Coug 10-18-2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah (Post 138271)
I remember watching Roseanne Barr and Tom Arnold on Larry King one night (way back when they were an item and before they married that woman) and Roseanne was talking about her recovered memories of sexual abuse by her parents. When asked about confronting her parents, she noted that they vehemently denied the acusation, which Roseanne cited as concrete proof of their guilt.

It reminds me of a torture chamber we visited in Holland which they used to use to determine who was and wasn't a witch. They had this giant frying pan that they would lower the suspect's feet onto with the belief that if they were innocent, God would prevent their feet from burning.

We were told that no one was found innocent.

myboynoah 10-18-2007 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 138275)
It reminds me of a torture chamber we visited in Holland which they used to use to determine who was and wasn't a witch. They had this giant frying pan that they would lower the suspect's feet onto with the belief that if they were innocent, God would prevent their feet from burning.

We were told that no one was found innocent.

Every month the torture chamber reported a %100 success rate. It's hard to argue against those numbers.

I hope those guys got bonuses.

Goatnapper'96 10-18-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 138112)
There remains a spark of doubt that he left something good behind.

They can leave the Church they just can't leave it alone.

creekster 10-18-2007 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 138329)
They can leave the Church they just can't leave it alone.


This is the same problem I have with McDonald's.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 07:57 PM

Folks, we have an upset in the making. Those who doubt or disbelieve the founding stories lead 11-9! On a BYU board, and twenty votes cast! Naysayers, VOTE!!!!!!! This would be a shocker.

creekster 10-18-2007 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138333)
Folks, we have an upset in the making. Those who doubt or disbelieve the founding stories lead 11-9! On a BYU board, and twenty votes cast! Naysayers, VOTE!!!!!!! This would be a shocker.

It is quite unseemly for prophetic leaders, even those of the apostate persuasion, to beg for votes.

Archaea 10-18-2007 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138333)
Folks, we have an upset in the making. Those who doubt or disbelieve the founding stories lead 11-9! On a BYU board, and twenty votes cast! Naysayers, VOTE!!!!!!! This would be a shocker.

You count like Hillary.

It's 10 to 10, as I read it.

SeattleUte 10-18-2007 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 138336)
You count like Hillary.

It's 10 to 10, as I read it.

Believing metaphorically is counted as a no vote.

Archaea 10-18-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138341)
Believing metaphorically is counted as a no vote.


You work for Hillary, right?

Sleeping in EQ 10-18-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138341)
Believing metaphorically is counted as a no vote.

The electronic version of the dangling chad?

tooblue 10-18-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 138158)
Disagree.

You can disagree all you like -you have stripes and they will never fade.


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