Cali, is sitting by, playing hard to get,
 

waiting for someone to post McCain won the debate, so he can be all over it like shit on a stick. No one give him that.

McCain won the debate.

And I didn't even watch it.

That's a lame effort to keep things moving on your board. I'm not biting.

Seriously I didn't watch it. McCain, let me guess, had no message other than "I'm swell".

McCain is going to go like Mondale.

I did miss Ohbama's solution
 

to SS and Medicare. All I heard was a tax cut for 95% of the citizens. Actually I heard that time and time again. I guess the tax cut will save SS and Medicare.

You guys are suckers! You either have to increase taxes or lower the age of retirement (or a combo of both). This is not nuclear science. Hey perhaps I should run for President. Actually i had some Repubs ask me to run for the state senate. Knowing my reputation on CG and CB, I decided against it. My posts would be up there with Rev. Wright ..... errrrrr..... Rev. Wrong.

Can you somerize Ohbama's
 

response to the SS / Medicare question? I assume you listened to your messiah.

Vs. behindsight..........yes.

Well, Obama certainly didn't win, unless "winning" is defined as "keeping the status quo."

I didn't think it could get more boring than the 1st. I was wrong.

There you have it.
 

Ohbama is going to lead us to the promised land! Whatever your thoughts, it will be entertaining.

Or....
 

dipschtick.com. We're we talking about the debate? If he knew the answer why didn't he mention any of it when asked? I guess you believe he wrote all the positions articulated on his website. Talk about a dipschtick! You just confirmed your gullibility.

Having graduated from the Y, I would have thought you would have a nice job and wouldn't be looking for handouts from the government. Or is it his stance on partial birth abortion that appeals to you?

Sucka!

LMAO......."And they do not believe it is necessary or fair to hardworking seniors to raise the retirement age. Obama and Biden are strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security. As part of a bipartisan plan that would be phased in over many years, they will ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security to keep it sound."

Like I said, their position is against raising retirement age and any privatization for the next generation. OK, we know what they are against........and there it is again.........raise everything on those earning more than $250K......as I mentioned in my opening salvo. where was I wrong.

You honestly believe SS will be around when you are old enough to be eligible and the retirement age won't be higher then than it is now?

Sucka!

I think asking who won is a silly question. With few exceptions, people vote for "their guy".

The real measure of success in a debate is impact on the electorate. The 1st debate didn't move polls at all, and I expect this one not to move at all either. No voter walked away from either debate much persuaded, and viewership is down anyway.

In the end, it's a net plus for Obama because he's ahead. But he's not sealing the deal, either. He's ahead only because voters are foolishly blaming the credit crunch on the Republicans. Fortunate timing for him, but hardly a winning message.

That debate convinced me that McCain has no chance to win in November. I'm with Waters, he's going to lose in Modale like fashion.

Which is what I said. But it doesn't mean his performance at the debate was superior.

I'm talking about national and battleground polls.

Obama won by "default," meaning no one won. It's like being spotted a free 7 points at the start of a football game, and then winning the game by a touchdown. Yes, you won, but .... so what?

As I said, it's a stupid question anyway.

I'm talking about Rasmussen, Zogby, Gallup, etc. They don't release debate numbers on the same night, because they don't call people at 11 PM to see what they think.

Releasing poll numbers the same night as the debate is another thing that is exceptionally stupid.

They are both stupid questions, which why I'm not surprised to see you asking them.

I don't think Obama did that. His only movement in the polls the last few weeks has been related to the economic crisis. Factor that out, and the debates have been plainly impactless.

It's just so hard for you to admit that your Messiah turned in a mediocre performance, isn't it. You'd say he won, even if he dropped 10 pts in the polls.

McCain is not down 10, and it's had little to do with the debates.

Digging deeper into the poll data shows angst over the economy as the driving force behind poll movement. The debates don't even register.

You're just picking and choosing polls to make them say what you wish. I'm done with the Dance of Death.

Cheers.