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MikeWaters 02-01-2007 01:54 PM
Who said that Utah has hidden talent?
 
Didn't someone say that the Ute players are young, but very talented?

Admittedly, I watched the game on the slingbox (which was connected by VGA cable to my DLP :) ), and didn't pay terribly close attention the whole game.

But besides Neville, I would have a hard time saying that Utah has any players.

I look at that team, and I am not surprised at their record. The players look very, very average.

jay santos 02-01-2007 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57880)
Didn't someone say that the Ute players are young, but very talented?

Admittedly, I watched the game on the slingbox (which was connected by VGA cable to my DLP :) ), and didn't pay terribly close attention the whole game.

But besides Neville, I would have a hard time saying that Utah has any players.

I look at that team, and I am not surprised at their record. The players look very, very average.

That was the first I've seen them play, but based on what I saw, I don't think they have much potential in the near term.

It was a little surreal to be playing Utah and dominating them on the boards--with not a great rebounding team to boot.

RockyBalboa 02-01-2007 05:19 PM
I really like their 6'6 Freshman Point Guard Curtis Eatmon but Giac hardly plays him.

tooblue 02-01-2007 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57880)
Didn't someone say that the Ute players are young, but very talented?

Admittedly, I watched the game on the slingbox (which was connected by VGA cable to my DLP :) ), and didn't pay terribly close attention the whole game.

But besides Neville, I would have a hard time saying that Utah has any players.

I look at that team, and I am not surprised at their record. The players look very, very average.
Utah does have a lot of talent. They are poorly coached, it is as simple as that.

il Padrino Ute 02-01-2007 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 57957)
I really like their 6'6 Freshman Point Guard Curtis Eatmon but Giac hardly plays him.
Eatmon is who I really wish Giacoletti would play more. He's exactly the type of player that Giac kept saying that he needs for his style of play, then he sits the kid at the end of the bench.

Frank Layden was right when he commented when Giac was hired that he would be in way over his head as coach of Utah.

MikeWaters 02-01-2007 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tooblue (Post 57961)
Utah does have a lot of talent. They are poorly coached, it is as simple as that.
I've yet to see evidence of it. You can't put it all on the coach.

mpfunk 02-01-2007 06:56 PM
Foster is a hell of a talent and he is wasting him away on the bench. Eatmon is talented and he is wasting him away on the bench.

He continues to play terrible players like LB and Ricky Johns. Utah's biggest problem is defense, and defense is not about talent. Defense is all about coaching, and Giac is deficient.

SeattleUte 02-01-2007 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57985)
I've yet to see evidence of it. You can't put it all on the coach.
You can't put lack of talent on the coach three years into his program when he inherited a full enough cup board to go 29-6 and Sweet 16 (we're just talking about talent here, remember)? This guy is a poor man's Steve Fisher. Don't waste your breath on him. He's toast. We're going to fucking dismember him and throw his remains to a place where the birds and dogs will draw out his guts.

MikeWaters 02-01-2007 06:59 PM
athleticism counts for something on defense. if guys are beating you off the dribble, goodbye defense, hello o-rebounds and putbacks.

mpfunk 02-01-2007 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57992)
athleticism counts for something on defense. if guys are beating you off the dribble, goodbye defense, hello o-rebounds and putbacks.
Yet with Majerus even when we were not athletic we still played great defense.

MikeWaters 02-01-2007 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mpfunk (Post 57997)
Yet with Majerus even when we were not athletic we still played great defense.
Majerus had guys who have had long NBA careers. Andre, Doleac, and than dude with the high socks who thinks he is a better shooter than he really is.

Those weren't the most athletic guys, but they were ball players.

It was funny watching the Utes play offense. Just standing around, maybe the occasional cut or pick. It was just sad.

mpfunk 02-01-2007 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 58002)
Majerus had guys who have had long NBA careers. Andre, Doleac, and than dude with the high socks who thinks he is a better shooter than he really is.

Those weren't the most athletic guys, but they were ball players.

It was funny watching the Utes play offense. Just standing around, maybe the occasional cut or pick. It was just sad.
Of course what you describe about the Ute offense is also a coaching issue. Majerus still had success after KVH, Miller, and Doleac were out of the program.

MikeWaters 02-01-2007 07:32 PM
I'm sure Giacolletti is not saying "just stand around on the court."

We've all played pickup basketball. Ballplayers play ball.

SeattleUte 02-01-2007 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 58004)
I'm sure Giacolletti is not saying "just stand around on the court."

We've all played pickup basketball. Ballplayers play ball.
Giacoletti is saying, "Help me Mr. Wizard! Please Mr. Wizard, I don't want to be a DI coach anymore!"

mpfunk 02-01-2007 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 58004)
I'm sure Giacolletti is not saying "just stand around on the court."

We've all played pickup basketball. Ballplayers play ball.
Well whatever he is saying it is not getting through to players. I hate to keep coming back to Majerus, because I don't expect Majerus coaching ability, but Majerus would have used every profanity known to man in creative ways to get the team executing on offense and defense. He would also include visual aids in his tirade as well. This team really needs to learn the six-inch defense.

tooblue 02-01-2007 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57985)
I've yet to see evidence of it. You can't put it all on the coach.
Did you feel that way about Crowton?

Simple as this … I've seen the Utes on tv twice and the Cougs in person once. Utah has as much or more talent than BYU, the difference is coaching.

It was evident to me that the cougs are soft and will be overmatched at guard more often than not. Ainge cannot play 30 minutes against better competition without seriously hurting the team. The Broadus problem is gone and guys who should’ve been getting all of the minutes are getting the minutes. Their bigs play like soft sixteen year old Europeans taking stupid outside shots, unable to bang and control the boards. Yet Rose has a good rotation of players filling defined roles to minimize the deficiencies and take advantage of the strengths. If they make the tournament they will be beat in the first round.

It is evident to me watching the Utes that they have a lot of young talent yet the players do not know their roles and have little concept of basic principles of defensive spacing and filling lanes ... How many times do you see a Ute defender let an opponent get to the baseline and THEN to the basket? How often do you see them boxing out?

It’s coaching pure and simple. They play the game like pick-up ball because of poorly defined roles and a lack of teaching basketball 101.

mpfunk 02-01-2007 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tooblue (Post 58019)
Did you feel that way about Crowton?

Simple as this … I've seen the Utes on tv twice and the Cougs in person once. Utah has as much or more talent than BYU, the difference is coaching.

It was evident to me that the cougs are soft and will be overmatched at guard more often than not. Ainge cannot play 30 minutes against better competition without seriously hurting the team. The Broadus problem is gone and guys who should’ve been getting all of the minutes are getting the minutes. Their bigs play like soft sixteen year old Europeans taking stupid outside shots, unable to bang and control the boards. Yet Rose has a good rotation of players filling defined roles to minimize the deficiencies and take advantage of the strengths. If they make the tournament they will be beat in the first round.

It is evident to me watching the Utes that they have a lot of young talent yet the players do not know their roles and have little concept of basic principles of defensive spacing and filling lanes ... How many times do you see a Ute defender let an opponent get to the baseline and THEN to the basket? How often do you see them boxing out?

It’s coaching pure and simple. They play the game like pick-up ball because of poorly defined roles and a lack of teaching basketball 101.
I fully endorse this post.

ewth8tr 02-01-2007 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mpfunk (Post 58009)
This team really needs to learn the six-inch defense.
I thought it was the 2 inch defense?

mpfunk 02-01-2007 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ewth8tr (Post 58050)
I thought it was the 2 inch defense?
I think you are confusing this with danoconda's naked Steve Young dream.

All-American 02-01-2007 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mpfunk (Post 58009)
Well whatever he is saying it is not getting through to players. I hate to keep coming back to Majerus, because I don't expect Majerus coaching ability, but Majerus would have used every profanity known to man in creative ways to get the team executing on offense and defense. He would also include visual aids in his tirade as well. This team really needs to learn the six-inch defense.
It was two and not one inch more.

Archaea 02-01-2007 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All-American (Post 58093)
It was two and not one inch more.
No Majerus went metric, it was six centimeters and not a milimeter more.

ute4ever 02-21-2010 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 57880)
Didn't someone say that the Ute players are young, but very talented?

Admittedly, I watched the game on the slingbox (which was connected by VGA cable to my DLP :) ), and didn't pay terribly close attention the whole game.

But besides Neville, I would have a hard time saying that Utah has any players.

I look at that team, and I am not surprised at their record. The players look very, very average.
Jeez you watch a Utah game and start a thread too? I thought you didn't follow the Utes.


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