How does it feel to get to the top of this mountain?
 

11-2 two years in a row. Undefeated in conference two years in a row.

Ending the season ranked two years in a row.

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On the other hand, a coach who speaks to the media frequently and loudly that the schedule will be made easier. A bowl game that is a week before the meaningless bowl games. Good players who know one in the country knows about. The best-case scenario of going undefeated and playing a 2 loss team in a BCS game.

It's really the highest of highs combined with the lowest of lows. We've climbed the highest mountain in Texas, with no where higher to climb.

We have a school president who is not a leader, for neither academics nor athletics. We have an AD who is neutered, and we have a coach who has balls made of soft metals that dent when faced with the prospect of playing 3 BCS teams.

BYU is a pretty good team. But no one knows and no one cares.

Wow, it has just become clear to me. You set up this site as a place for you to have the freedom to "troll". Cool.

I challenge you to give me a season where morale has been this low among fans, given a 10 game winning streak to finish the season.

I'm not saying morale is all that low. I'm say it's low compared to the quality of the team.

The mtn and the BCS system are a big part of it.

You made some great points. What soured me was the stuff about the President, AD and coach. I don't mind criticizing them, but the generalized nasty statement about them seems over the top and something to fish some anger out of other posters. I just am not going to get angry over it.

Other than some fluke of a national title in 1984, how is this really much different than how it's always been?

I'm with Mike here. As a BYU fan, I should be riding high. Two top 20 years in a row, undefeated in conf, bowl wins, etc. But I'm not. '96 and '01 felt way more exciting.

TV contract, the direction Bronco wants to take, and the lack of leadership above him combine to make the future feel kind of blah for me.

Mike, FYI, using the metaphor "balls" in any form to describe courage is sexist. Don't use that at work. you may find a red crater where your balls once were.

Except for the calling out of individuals, I am with both of you. So unexcited that I didn't go to the bowl game and if we get a 1AA team on the schedule I will unload next years tickets.

To go on CB you would get the feeling people are thrilled with the scheduling thing. That just isn't so. They probably will still fill the stadium, but another 10-2 season and a Vegas bowl will not have people excited.

Those that are excited are excited about where they think this program is going. They have a lot more faith in the total interlocking of religion and football than I do.

Waters, I bet you are a premature ejaculator too
 

Take a few steps back and see what Bronco is doing. He has a vision and he's following a blueprint with disipline.

Bottom line is we aren't playing in the NC game until we have first reached a BCS game. Just like we weren't making a BCS game without establishing our program first. Milk before meat.

I know you want to hurry and get to the good part, but this is going to be a process that takes many years. We simply aren't a top 10 team in the country right now, so we need to manage the schedule that will allow us to get to a BCS game. Bronco said in the postgame that the rules right now are that you need to go undefeated to get into a BCS game. Let's get there before we start whining about not playing a tough enough schedule.

OK, tell me what is the big deal with getting to a BCS game. How much respect does Utah or BSU have right now as neither can win a conf. championship since.

If it is all about the money, fine just say so. You don't build a lasting reputation by getting somewhere by going the easy route and not following up.

If they are so sure this will get them BCS money, they ought to give the season ticket holders a break and charge less for next years tickets.

If you thought you were paying for a Celin Dion (sp) concert and you got Tiny Tim, I think you would have a right to some kind of discount.

Come on. Let's not fault Bronco for aspiring to a BCS bowl. That's the logical next step. He is talking about eventually contending for a national championship.

I am not too happy about playing another cupcake, but I understand his logic. So you can argue with his methods, but not his motivation nor his ultimate goal.

Note, I have never ripped on Bronco's character for this. His goals are at odds with mine.

He is the coach and doing a pretty solid job of it. If I were a bystander and asked, who do you think would do a better job of running BYU's football program, Bronco or BYU71, I would say what an assisinine question, of course Bronco.

That being said, I think I have the right to question what he does or is doing and how it affects me, but until something happens that hasn't yet, I don't think I can question the results he is getting.

Since you're are at odds with him and his goals are to win a National Championship....what exactly is the problem?

Your goals have to be lower than his since they are at odds...what exactly are your goals?

Goals can be the same, method of achieving them can be different. For instance, my goal in winning the Vegas Bowl was the same as the coaches. However, I wouldn't have handed it off to Unga with 19 seconds left.

If we are good enough to play in a BCS game, I think we are good enough to beat an average BCS or non BCS team at home next year. We don't have to dip down to 1AA.

That way we achieve Bronco's and my goal of getting to the BCS without having to cheat (my opinion) the fans on the product brought into the stadium.

What if they getting to the BCS using Bronco's formula worked and in the same process they won that BCS game.....you'd still feel cheated?

I would still feel he could have done it by playing someone good at LES.


However, when it comes to results, I don't have to be right.

If BYU has all LDS RM's and is in the NC hunt every year, I will be very happy even though I have said it can't be done.

Bronco has sent the message that with the very difficult conference schedule (which he calls "parity"), and the talented teams Washington and UCLA (both with losing records), he can only afford to play a div 1aa team next year if he wants any chance at being undefeated.

Nice stones you got there Bronco. What are they made of? Chalk?

I was responding to your question regarding what is the big deal about the BCS.

Your logic is a bit puzzling to me. You question why the BCS is such a big deal yet you are upset that we are considering scheduling a cupcake in lieu of a BCS team. By scheduling a cupcake, BM thinks can increase the probability of playing a BCS team at the end of the year. On a huge stage in front of a huge audience.

I guess I am talking about a BCS game, not the BCS itself.

Let me explain it this way and maybe it will make sense. If next years schedule has a 1AA team replacing Nevada, I personally don't think it is worth me spending $1,000 for tickets. I will watch the games on tape delay and play golf or just watch them on TV. I will go to a couple of away games. That will be my interest level. I will just let the tickets go for one year because I like the following years schedule.

As far as getting to a BCS bowl, great. I will get tickets and go to the game.

Right now I don't think we go undefeated next year, even if we do schedule a 1AA at LES, so it will be done for no reason. Bronco feels different, I hope he is right.

We haven't ever played in a BCS bowl. And there have been a lot of seasons that have been a blast. What games do you remember the last 20 years? I remember beating Notre Dame, Texas, T A&M, Penn State, Miss St, Washington, ASU, Cal, Virginia, Syracuse, etc. I remember getting stoked to play games against 'Bama, Florida State, Virginia, Miss State, UCLA, USC, Notre Dame, Washington, BC, etc. even though we lost.

I've never gotten excited to play Utah State, Nevada, Eastern Washington, etc, didn't really enjoy the games that much, and don't recall anyone on ESPN discussing the games.

I don't want to sit around for ten years watching us play crap OOC games and crap MWC games hoping for a shot at a BCS. If we're good enough, we'll make the BCS no matter if it's with zero, one, or two losses.

Amen. Almost all of the memorable games in BYU history were against BCS teams.

The exception being some of the recent Utah games.

BYU fans get the shaft with this current regime.

I truly don't believe it's about the money. What's BYU's take on a BCS bowl game? A million? Maybe two, tops. On a $25M athletic budget, the dream of raking in a mill or two once every five years is a pretty stupid dream to chase, if it's at the expense of any of the other $125M in revenues over that time period.

I don't know what Bronco's doing. I don't trust him that it's just about making a BCS bowl. I think he thinks he can become a god by averaging 8-9 wins a season over the next 20 years. But playing against crap MWC and crap OOC, I could do that.

I really don't think it is about him, really. I think it is about the BCS and it's supposed prestige, maybe not supposed. I think he has a plan and I think the guy truly thinks his plan will someday get him to the NC game. If the fans get shortchanged along the way, so be it. With BYU it is never about the fans. It is about money and image.

Maybe that is the same for every school.

By the way, Bronco and Holmoe are a bit at odds over this scheduling thing.

Bronco's job is to keep his job.

Holmoe's job is to sell the programs and keep the $ coming in.

This is where Holmoe tells Bronco that he is the boss, and he will play the schedule that is given to him.

UCLA
SDSU
WYO
UNM
UNLV
div 1AA

Is there anyone excited about this home schedule?

Whoever is excited about this home schedule is the same person that was thrilled to play church basketball and win the sportsmanship trophy.

You don't go to any games save...what maybe 1 every other year?

If that.

If BYU had their OOC Home schedule filled with BCS opponents every year would that change your attendance?

I doubt it.

I am much more likely to go to a BCS game than a non-BCS game.

The last game I saw at LES was BYU losing to Southern Cal.

I'm actually planning to go to Seattle for the Washington game. I'm pretty sure I won't be going to any of the games at LES.

I will of course go to the TCU game in Fort Worth.

If Bronco's strategy gets BYU into a BCS bowl game next year, will you attend? Or will you boycott as a matter of principle?

Here you make a good point. If they can dummy down the schedule, charge or increase prices and still fill the place why not. I would buy my tickets year after year based on the hope they are going to up the schedule eventually, not dummy it down. This will be the first year I have not only threatened, but will unload my tickets. I am sure someone will take them.

I think the Vegas Bowl experience should have told them that fans may back off if they bring in a lousy product year after year, but I think they are smart enough not to do that.

What are you referring to with the Vegas Bowl? Did BYU not sell all their allotted tickets?

This is what I will be laughing my butt off about. If BYU gets to a BCS game, most of those praising Bronco for his stratgy won't be able to get tickets.

You think they were tough to get and pricy for last years Vegas Bowl, wait until we make a BCS bowl. Lot's of people who don't even follow BYU will be asking for and getting tickets from BYU.

That's cool. I understand your frustrations as I don't like the dumbing down of schedules either, but am kind of resigned to the sucky situation as well.

I'm also going up to the Washington game in Seattle. I've never been to the Northwest and am really looking forward to it.

I'm planning on hitting the TCU game. I'm hoping that the Cowboys play that Sunday in Dallas as well so that I can make it a double header.

I've grown up a Cowboys fan and have never been to a game in person and would love to go.

If that is true, maybe Bronco is fighting Holmoe in the media. Bronco wins that fight 99 times out of 100.

I am with you. If they truly schedule a 1AA game next year, my guess is I will attend more road games than games in LES. Wash, AFA, TCU and Utah.

We will see. Bronco may be fighting some other supporters too.

I know people hate me to say this, but money talks and CB opinions don't mean much.

It isn't my money I am talking about either so don't go off on what a egotistical jackass I am.

Outside of the UCLA game, you could go to everyone of those games for free. Wait outside the stadium and someone will hand you a ticket. The UCLA game will cost you above face. That tells the admin what the demand is and the potential for revenues with an improved SOS.

Here is my question: do we have any evidence whatsoever that BYU could schedule a BCS team this late in the game to come to Provo next year to fill the slot vacated by Nevada? I find that extremely unlikely. Which makes this whole debate about Bronco's "balls of chalk" kind of absurd.

LOL, you will have to be a ways a way from the stadium.

I wanted a nephew to unload two tickets I had last year to the EWU game. He gold me security told him to get his butt and those tickets away from the stadium.

Only BYU is allowed to scalp tickets. :)

It would be if he was smart enough not to say what his intentions were and claim they couldn't schedule anyone good, Nevada backed out to late, which by the way is Holmoe's spin.

That isn't what Bronco has been saying. Kudo's for being honest Bronco even though it doesn't get you anything.

I agree with you there. He should stick with "This is the only team we could get" and not "This is my best way to scam us into a BCS bid".