Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 286949)

Why do you care? How does what PAC thinks affect you or your standing in the church?

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 286954)

Thankkfully ex ute is not associated with BYU. He is a ute fan.

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 286949)

Why do you care? How does what PAC thinks affect you or your standing in the church?

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 286954)

Thankkfully ex ute is not associated with BYU. He is a ute fan.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286965)

A bishop's perspective. Has nothing to do with my standing or affect me.

ARe you saying every inquiry on CG has to meet that test in your opinion?

But thanks for asking. What would you have done?

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 286968)

I'm just wondering why it is so important to you to know something like that.

I'm not nor have I been a Bishop, so I can't answer that.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286969)

question. What WOULD (that's the hypothetical!) you have done?

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 286971)

Why is it important for you to know?

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286975)

Just curious. I love to hear the mind of those who opening oppose the Church's directives and what they would do when their own views oppose the Church.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286975)

Just curious. I love to hear the mind of those who opening oppose the Church's directives and what they would do when their own views oppose the Church.

Originally Posted by Gidget (Post 286974)

What I want to know is why it is important to keep putting your opening line in the subject heading?

Originally Posted by Gidget (Post 286974)

What I want to know is why it is important to keep putting your opening line in the subject heading?

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286975)

Just curious. I love to hear the mind of those who opening oppose the Church's directives and what they would do when their own views oppose the Church.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286943)

bishop is true, what would you have done when asked to read the letter from the 1st Presidency re: Proposition 8? Read it as is? Comment during Sac Mtg? Share your views in RS or Priesthood? Share your views privately with members who ask what they should do?

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 286983)

Because it justifies you in your mind, so that you can feel righteous and look down upon his peons who do not conform to your interpretation of proper behavior. Analyze yourself first.

It threatens you psychologically that others may take a different course, where you felt safe believing you have been saved through your righteous actions. Yet cognitive dissonance arises and you are conflicted. It's your Ute heritage doing this to you.

IF you become a Cougar fully, you will embrace the diversity of opinion cougars enjoy. Shed your Ute heritage and pay no attention to Emily's List people.

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 286983)

Because it justifies you in your mind, so that you can feel righteous and look down upon his peons who do not conform to your interpretation of proper behavior. Analyze yourself first.

It threatens you psychologically that others may take a different course, where you felt safe believing you have been saved through your righteous actions. Yet cognitive dissonance arises and you are conflicted. It's your Ute heritage doing this to you.

IF you become a Cougar fully, you will embrace the diversity of opinion cougars enjoy. Shed your Ute heritage and pay no attention to Emily's List people.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286987)

What mumbo jumbo is that? I'll pose the question to you. What would you have done? read it and then offline told your congregation what?

Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar (Post 286985)

Your post is offensive for multiple reasons, including the reference to my "claim" as having served as a bishop. I was thankful and humbled to be asked to serve, and I did so for several years to the best of my ability, such as it was. Even though you deserve a decidedly different response, I'll answer your questions honestly and sincerely: I would have read the First Presidency's letter as is, including the parts about tolerance and accepting whatever level of participation each member felt was appropriate. I would not have expressed my doubts or concerns to the ward in any meeting, nor would I have contradicted in private anything I said in public.

Had they been presented by a thoughtful person genuinely interested in discussion, your questions would be worthy of discussion. But your palpable self-satisfaction and condescension over the years, with never a hint of self-awareness or self-doubt, make you a very unpleasant person to deal with on the boards. Thus, with that, exUte, I'm through with you. Until you can (a) post without sounding consistently like an intolerant jerk, and (b) desist in your intentionally and obnoxious use of the title line for part of your message, I have no interest in conversing with you.

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain (Post 286982)

It seems to be a popular thing to do on CG to pile on exute, so I generally try to avoid that. But in this case, I'll go ahead and pile on.

Seriously, exie - what gives? Stop doing that. It's annoying.

Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar (Post 286985)

Your post is offensive for multiple reasons, including the reference to my "claim" as having served as a bishop. I was thankful and humbled to be asked to serve, and I did so for several years to the best of my ability, such as it was. Even though you deserve a decidedly different response, I'll answer your questions honestly and sincerely: I would have read the First Presidency's letter as is, including the parts about tolerance and accepting whatever level of participation each member felt was appropriate. I would not have expressed my doubts or concerns to the ward in any meeting, nor would I have contradicted in private anything I said in public.

Had they been presented by a thoughtful person genuinely interested in discussion, your questions would be worthy of discussion. But your palpable self-satisfaction and condescension over the years, with never a hint of self-awareness or self-doubt, make you a very unpleasant person to deal with on the boards. Thus, with that, exUte, I'm through with you. Until you can (a) post without sounding consistently like an intolerant jerk, and (b) desist in your intentionally obnoxious use of the title line for part of your message, I have no interest in conversing with you.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286992)

So you prefer no subject line..........like this?

Originally Posted by Gidget (Post 286991)

LOL get him!

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286992)

So you prefer no subject line..........like this? Talk about intolerance..... because my style is different than yours?

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 286988)

Ute fans think alike, eh? Weak.

Almost as weak as your baseball smack.

What's happened, Archaea? You used to be pretty good at this.

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 286995)

Nobody ever accused you of having style.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286994)

You're being an intolerant jerk!

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286998)

Who cares? Aren't you tolerant of others.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286992)

So you prefer no subject line..........like this? Talk about intolerance..... because my style is different than yours?

Originally Posted by Gidget (Post 286974)

What I want to know is why it is important to keep putting your opening line in the subject heading?

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 286997)

You'all think and act alike when we accuse exUte of belonging to you, eh?

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286992)

So you prefer no subject line..........like this? Talk about intolerance..... because my style is different than yours?

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 287000)

Of Others generally yes, of your intolerant rantings and claims to superiority, no. And you're old enough to know better but too young to be crotchety.

Originally Posted by Flystripper (Post 287007)

There are only 2 possible reasons he continues to do this despite many requests that he stop:

1. He is a complete and moron and has the IQ of a moldy turnip or
2. He is a total douchbag and persists solely because it is annoying.

Either reason fits. Take your pick.

**EDIT** I see that for the first time in his visits to this board ExUte changed his posting ways. I guess Number 1 wasn't the reason. Lets see if his douchbaggery lessens a bit with this new event

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 287011)

Please refer to the panties Gidget was talking about. :)

Are you the jerk I sold my BYU tickets to last year? Sheesh. Was that a bad deal!

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 287011)

Please refer to the panties Gidget was talking about. :)

Are you the jerk I sold my BYU tickets to last year? Sheesh. Was that a bad deal!

Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar (Post 286985)

Your post is offensive for multiple reasons, including the reference to my "claim" as having served as a bishop. I was thankful and humbled to be asked to serve, and I did so for several years to the best of my ability, such as it was. Even though you deserve a decidedly different response, I'll answer your questions honestly and sincerely: I would have read the First Presidency's letter as is, including the parts about tolerance and accepting whatever level of participation each member felt was appropriate. I would not have expressed my doubts or concerns to the ward in any meeting, nor would I have contradicted in private anything I said in public.

Had they been presented by a thoughtful person genuinely interested in discussion, your questions would be worthy of discussion. But your palpable self-satisfaction and condescension over the years, with never a hint of self-awareness or self-doubt, make you a very unpleasant person to deal with on the boards. Thus, with that, exUte, I'm through with you. Until you can (a) post without sounding consistently like an intolerant jerk, and (b) desist in your intentionally obnoxious use of the title line for part of your message, I have no interest in conversing with you.

Originally Posted by exUte (Post 286943)

bishop is true, what would you have done when asked to read the letter from the 1st Presidency re: Proposition 8? Read it as is? Comment during Sac Mtg? Share your views in RS or Priesthood? Share your views privately with members who ask what they should do?