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Archaea 03-02-2007 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 63645)
I assume an underlying concept is this:
Since BYU hasn't won a tournament game in ages, and since many Cougar fans are clamoring that this is the year that will change, why should anyone outside of the BYU fan base believe the result will be different this time around? Therefore, in addition to postseason futility, have there been any saving graces during the regular season during the same timeframe?

SteelBlue provided a single answer. Others have refused to include wins over Utah in the same boat, so I guess OSU in '03 remains the lone exception.
It goes without saying that BYU's basketball program has slipped during the 21st century, actually it slipped before that, but we get the point.

BYU has defeated a number of ranked teams, such as UNM one year, now UNLV and AFA.

However, I'll grant the premise that we will only win a tournament game this year if we hit it on all cylinders. Didn't they predict BYU to finish last in conference this year or was that last year?

I'm pleased about the upward trajectory, hoping it continues but am mindful Utah could upset the cougars in the MC.

RockyBalboa 03-02-2007 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 63610)
I asked a simple question. Got only one simple, forthright response. The rest dissembling. Thanks a lot.
And I asked a simple question in return....

SteelBlue 03-02-2007 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 63645)
SteelBlue provided a single answer. Others have refused to include wins over Utah in the same boat, so I guess OSU in '03 remains the lone exception.
I don't remember beating the Utah teams that had deep tournament runs. Perhaps my memory is just fading. Certainly OSU was our biggest win against a team that had NCAA tournament success that same season.

pelagius 03-02-2007 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelBlue (Post 63687)
I don't remember beating the Utah teams that had deep tournament runs. Perhaps my memory is just fading. Certainly OSU was our biggest win against a team that had NCAA tournament success that same season.
Here's a list of good teams BYU beat from 1996 to 2005:

Code:
    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
    | year  game        opponent  rank  win  scored  allowed |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
 82. | 1998    28      New Mexico    27    1      83        62 |
116. | 2000      5      Arizona St    46    1      78        67 |
124. | 2000    13        Utah St    31    1      82        73 |
125. | 2000    14            UNLV    40    1      77        75 |
134. | 2000    23            UNLV    40    1      83        82 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
140. | 2000    29            Utah    41    1      58        54 |
142. | 2000    31  Bowling Green    45    1      81        54 |
152. | 2001      8        Utah St    46    1      69        67 |
183. | 2002      6      Creighton    49    1      61        52 |
185. | 2002      9        Stanford    23    1      81        76 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
195. | 2002    19        Wyoming    46    1      85        70 |
201. | 2002    25            Utah    48    1      63        61 |
211. | 2003      5      Arizona St    37    1      64        60 |
242. | 2004      5    Oklahoma St      2    1      76        71 |
261. | 2004    25      Air Force    47    1      67        61 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
262. | 2004    26            Utah    40    1      70        57 |
286. | 2005    20      New Mexico    29    1      68        53 |
    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
Ok St. was clearly the best win and the Stanford win in 2002 was probably the 2nd best.

Mormon Red Death 03-02-2007 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelagius (Post 63693)
Here's a list of good teams BYU beat from 1996 to 2005:

Code:
    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
    | year  game        opponent  rank  win  scored  allowed |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
 82. | 1998    28      New Mexico    27    1      83        62 |
116. | 2000      5      Arizona St    46    1      78        67 |
124. | 2000    13        Utah St    31    1      82        73 |
125. | 2000    14            UNLV    40    1      77        75 |
134. | 2000    23            UNLV    40    1      83        82 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
140. | 2000    29            Utah    41    1      58        54 |
142. | 2000    31  Bowling Green    45    1      81        54 |
152. | 2001      8        Utah St    46    1      69        67 |
183. | 2002      6      Creighton    49    1      61        52 |
185. | 2002      9        Stanford    23    1      81        76 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
195. | 2002    19        Wyoming    46    1      85        70 |
201. | 2002    25            Utah    48    1      63        61 |
211. | 2003      5      Arizona St    37    1      64        60 |
242. | 2004      5    Oklahoma St      2    1      76        71 |
261. | 2004    25      Air Force    47    1      67        61 |
    |-------------------------------------------------------------|
262. | 2004    26            Utah    40    1      70        57 |
286. | 2005    20      New Mexico    29    1      68        53 |
    +-------------------------------------------------------------+
Ok St. was clearly the best win and the Stanford win in 2002 was probably the 2nd best.
you seem to have this data availale at hand... Can you do the rest of the conference? You could leave out SDSU, CSU and WYO if it would take to long

pelagius 03-02-2007 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death (Post 63708)
you seem to have this data availale at hand... Can you do the rest of the conference? You could leave out SDSU, CSU and WYO if it would take to long
I actually don't have the rest of the conference handily available in terms of game level data. If I get a chance I will try to write a program that does it in the near future.

MikeWaters 03-02-2007 08:33 PM
How come the Utes don't have any stat gurus on these boards?

I hate to resort to stereotypes in answering my question.

SeattleUte 03-02-2007 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 63723)
How come the Utes don't have any stat gurus on these boards?

I hate to resort to stereotypes in answering my question.
Off the top of my head I can think of three times in the past ten years the utes beat teams ranked 1-2 in the nation from the ACC, Pac 10, and SEC. There were many victories over ranked teams. Off the top of my head ten of them are North Carolina, Stanford, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan State, Alabama, Iowa State, Oregon, Oklahoma. All of the foregoing except Alabama were in post season. There were many others.

How's that for stats?

MikeWaters 03-02-2007 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 63729)
How's that for stats?
Not bad for the future author of the Great American Novel.

jay santos 03-02-2007 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 63729)
Off the top of my head I can think of three times in the past ten years the utes beat teams ranked 1-2 in the nation from the ACC, Pac 10, and SEC. There were many victories over ranked teams. Off the top of my head ten of them are North Carolina, Stanford, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan State, Alabama, Iowa State, Oregon, Oklahoma. All of the foregoing except Alabama were in post season. There were many others.

How's that for stats?
I'm so grateful for these Ute guys that hang around here. 1990's WAC/MWC basketball trivia is one of my favorite topics, and these guys do a great job keeping it fresh in my memory.


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