Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 140196)

they can leave the MWC. that's what they can do.

Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 140199)

For what?

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 140200)

Independence.

Originally Posted by BYU71 (Post 140197)

You rode to the rescue to refute Mike and then take a shot at me. What is your problem with Mike bitching about how crappy the MWC is. What is your problem with not wanting to schedule EWU's.

Why don't you just stick to arguing against someone's points and try not to expand it into the person is attacking BYU. I don't know how it works in your world, but in mine if everyone becomes satisfied and isn't asking for more, the situation regresses.

I have said countless times recently that I think the BYU admin. is doing a great job now. I don't see any EWU's on the future schedule and I think I have every right to express my feeling I don't want to see any in the future either.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski (Post 140205)

I have griped about EWU as much as anyone. But I learned something over the weekend that affected my opinion. For some reason, BYU ended up with an open date. BYU sent feelers all over the country to find a team that would fill the slot. EWU was the only team in the country that responded. So it came down to EWU or nothing.

Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 140201)

Yeah, that's a financially viable alternative... ever wonder why there used to be several very good independent programs and now it's only Notre Dame, Army, Navy and Western Kentucky?

None of these teams are fully independent either, just for football.

You think BYU can somehow keep one foot in independence for football and one foot in the MWC for all the other sports?

Just because you don't like the situation, doesn't mean that your half-baked solution constitutes an improvement.

Originally Posted by BYU71 (Post 140208)

Now that's a good argument. Indepedence is not a solution. No way would it work.

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 140211)

MWC wont' work either.

I choose uncertain death (independence) over certain death (MWC).

I would argue that there is no team in BYU's position, in terms of dwarfing it's other conference members, and not having BCS money available to it.

BYU is better off with a bunch of teams that pull in 25k fans for their home games???? Freak, add a few BCS games as a non-conf and just the TV alone would pay for it.

Originally Posted by BYU71 (Post 140215)

Here is how the MWC works. BYU dominates it and schedules 3 BCS teams a year. One lower rung type. Mid rung type. Top rung type. Schedule USU.

That works for getting us the type of national recognition Boise State has gotten. It is a church school. That is the best we can hope for until some BCS conf. decides to expand.

Believe me, if we have those kind of schedules there will be plenty of support and money for the program.

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 140216)

there isn't a single year on BYU's future schedule that fits your parameters out to 2013. Hopefully Holmoe will be fired before then and some changes can be made.