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Mindfulcoug 07-28-2014 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 318983)
what does "right to exist" even mean?

Does the Soviet Union have the right to exist? I mean it doesn't exist. It did exist. It might one day exist again. But what right to exist does it have?

Does an independent nation of Hawaii have the right to exist? What does that mean?

You can't ask these questions without inviting severe criticism. Does Palestine have the right to exist?
I think it is what is called trend setting in fashion. Israel's style have been followed by some players ( trend followers) in the region.

ChinoCoug 07-28-2014 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mindfulcoug (Post 318984)
Well, they used to do. Hence the name Palestine. Now we have to see does Israel's right to exist let Palestin which used to have a right to exist reclaim her right to exist?
So you support a two-state solution?

Mindfulcoug 07-28-2014 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug (Post 318986)
So you support a two-state solution?
Yes, if that is what Palestinians and Israelis want. But according to Saeb Erakat, Palestinians negotiator, while Palestinian's side has already agreed on Two state solution, Israel is yet to accept Palestinian's right to have a state.

Archaea 07-29-2014 03:54 PM
I don't really know what the solution is at this point in the narrative.

Here is a plea for help which touches me. I believe the author is LDS, but in any event, she is neither Jewish nor Muslim, but claims to be a practicing Christian Palestinian.

http://saharqumsiyeh.blogspot.com/20...-back.html?m=1

Here is also a thought opinion.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/28...referrer=&_r=0

Mindfulcoug 07-30-2014 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 318988)
I don't really know what the solution is at this point in the narrative.

Here is a plea for help which touches me. I believe the author is LDS, but in any event, she is neither Jewish nor Muslim, but claims to be a practicing Christian Palestinian.

http://saharqumsiyeh.blogspot.com/20...-back.html?m=1

Here is also a thought opinion.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/28...referrer=&_r=0
I could not open the first one because blogspot is filtered in Iran and I do not have proxy on my phone.

The second article ( an English translation of Hebrew) is a perfect example of promising future for the Palestinians and the Israelis. I am not sure how these little voice of reasons could prevail the extremists who have the money and the power to dampen the reality of the century old conflict.

MikeWaters 07-30-2014 09:46 PM
Didn't we have an LDS Palestinian or something that posted on this site years ago describing life in the West Bank? Or am I misremembering? Maybe there was a link to a blog?

Mindfulcoug 07-30-2014 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 318992)
Didn't we have an LDS Palestinian or something that posted on this site years ago describing life in the West Bank? Or am I misremembering? Maybe there was a link to a blog?
Falafel?

MikeWaters 07-30-2014 10:17 PM
I don't remember. No user with that name now.

ChinoCoug 08-12-2014 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 318965)
In American, the religious right strongly supports Israel. Blank check.

The foreign policy hawks on the right support Israel as well.

Most of the Jews in America support Israel. They are generally liberals.

And lots and lots of liberals support Israel as well.

So it's the one thing where there is bipartisan support.

Saying "what about the Palestinians?" is definitely against the grain. Americans have been taught that the Palestinians are something akin to terrorists. Hamas doesn't help change that perception.
Remember your comment about Jews responding to discrimination by protecting other groups, while Mormons responded by doing just the opposite? That statement needs modification in light of what's going on in the Occupied Territories. Not a complete abandonment; Jewish philanthropists funded most civil rights organizations in the USA. But a modification.

ChinoCoug 05-22-2019 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 318965)
In American, the religious right strongly supports Israel. Blank check.

The foreign policy hawks on the right support Israel as well.

Most of the Jews in America support Israel. They are generally liberals.

And lots and lots of liberals support Israel as well.

So it's the one thing where there is bipartisan support.

Saying "what about the Palestinians?" is definitely against the grain. Americans have been taught that the Palestinians are something akin to terrorists. Hamas doesn't help change that perception.
This is fast changing, especially among young Jews. Bret Stephens said, Jews are often at the forefront of Palestinian solidarity movements on campus.

https://www.facebook.com/avidoestheh...8563163553595/


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