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Archaea 10-28-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 285614)
I think he will actually make good on the rumors of his intent to bring in GOP cabinet members or advisors.

Once he wins next week, he has to think about 2012....and part of that strategy is bringing in folks that can help him out or take the fall, as the case may be.

A renegade Republican such as Lieberman is to the Democrats? That seems like weak evidence to me, but if you say so.

landpoke 10-28-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 285612)
Party Unity My Ass!

It's response from some Hillary supporters when they were told to "unite" behind Obama.

I should add that I was disappointed when I found out what it meant. Perhaps it's a reflection of my personal depth, but I was hoping for a variation on the "Cougar" theme.

Tex 10-28-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 285611)
there are an awful lot of people out there who feel that neither candidate represents their interests, politically speaking.

It's hard for me to conceive of two candidates whose philosophies both so differ from mine, that I would vote for one solely on my evaluation of his intellect. I'd rather go 3rd party.

And I've met some damned nutty intellectuals.

BarbaraGordon 10-28-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 285615)
A renegade Republican such as Lieberman is to the Democrats? That seems like weak evidence to me, but if you say so.

Obama hangs out with Coburn. They don't get any less renegade than Coburn.

BarbaraGordon 10-28-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by landpoke (Post 285616)
I should add that I was disappointed when I found out what it meant. Perhaps it's a reflection of my personal depth, but I was hoping for a variation on the "Cougar" theme.

Hey, if you like to think of Hillary and her supporters in that light, then more power to ya!

landpoke 10-28-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 285621)
Hey, if you like to think of Hillary and her supporters in that light, then more power to ya!

I was hoping it referenced maybe the adult daughters of "Cougars" or something.

As an aside (and to your statement) are Hillary supporters, as a sign of their almost Obamanista like devotion, assuming the "look" of their guy?

TripletDaddy 10-28-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 285615)
A renegade Republican such as Lieberman is to the Democrats? That seems like weak evidence to me, but if you say so.

you asked for evidence of a willingness to bring in opposing points of view, no?

So those are they.

He can only do so much. Rush Limbaugh would not accept an invite, even if offered.

Hypo: which big name in the cabinet would offer you comfort of Obama's willingness to listen? What would Obama have to do? You ask for evidence....give me a few examples of what you are looking for.

PaloAltoCougar 10-28-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 285607)
Do actual positions on the issues matter to you?

This reminds me of Christopher Buckley's endorsement of Obama. Impressed with his "first-class temperament and ... first-class intellect" he assumes that once in office, Obama will be bright enough to figure out "that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves."

Ha.

Do positions matter? Sure, to an extent. But candidates' positions tend to change once in office. In my lifetime, I can't recall a president whose performance was more to the outward extreme than what he campaigned under; rather, each moved toward the center. I thought Clinton proved to be a lot less of a lefty than had been prophesied, and you can't tell me GWB has performed even remotely close to the principles and positions real conservatives hold dear. Obama won't be studying Up From Liberalism, but he's got an impressive group of advisers, the smarts to seek and consider opposing views, and the wisdom to know that an excessive leftward drift will ensure a one-term presidency, which he'll want to avoid at all costs.

And btw, I'm fine with being compared with Buckley, Jr. By no means am I completely comfortable with Obama. I've expressed concern for many weeks about what a Reid/Pelosi/Obama trifecta might wreak. And part of my Obama vote is born of an immense huge dissatisfaction with W and the neocons whose hubris got us into multiple messes that could have been avoided had they stuck to genuine conservative principles.

I have yet to hear any compelling arguments for supporting McCain, other than the faint praise that he's better than Vladimir Obama. That's not enough for me, and so, with misgivings, I'm voting for a candidate more liberal than any I've ever supported before.

smokymountainrain 10-28-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar (Post 285628)
I'm voting for a candidate more liberal than any I've ever supported before.

It almost sounds to me like you are voting for the lesser of two evils. You are voting for Obama, but are you really supporting him?

Perhaps it's the same thing - I don't know.

landpoke 10-28-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar (Post 285628)
I have yet to hear any compelling arguments for supporting McCain, other than the faint praise that he's better than Vladimir Obama.

How about he won't put your old pal landpoke out of work with radical and misguided energy policies?


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