I just spit my diet coke out on the key board. Very good, I humbly bow to your great postiness. My son is an eagle and I must say it was the hardest work my wife had to do in the church.

I said that the two programs mesh together well. During DTG week a scoutmaster can be there to assist with items that also have to do with scouting. He can also just be there for continuity and for support.

I think you'll change your tune when you get put in charge of the entire YM program (something I think will happen to you soon based on the way you put your heart into scouting). DTG, if implemented properly can be a great program. It helps if the scoutmaster is onboard.

the worst thing they could do is move me out of scoutmaster. because what the kids need is continuity. not their 4th scoutmaster in 1 year.

However, I think I may move out of the ward when my scoutmaster term is over.

some recent DTG activities: how to journal. sewing. how to lead music.

I don't have a problem with these activities. but in general the things they do don't mesh with scouting so much.

Only the most highly-functional wards with a full staff have a chance to pull off both D2G and scouting at a quality level. I think the church should pick one and stick with it.

Just my $0.02.

I used to have a spreadsheet that coordinated every DTG requirement to a scouting requirement. I've lost it however. I'm sure there's one floating around online somewhere though. You'd be surprised what coordinates with scouting. Though, with the activities related above they would coordinate with merit badge requirements that your kids would likely not be interested in earning.

If my memory fading, some of you folks here closer to my age should let me know, but I seem to remember when I was in scouts (got my Eagle rank in '78) there was a scouting award for LDS scouts that was called "Duty to God".

I don't think it is the same thing as today's DtG, but it was similar.

Today's DTG is much different. It takes much more effort and the effort must be sustained throughout ones YM's "career". It is also completely independent of the BSA.

This is true. I had a Dickens of a time getting the YM in my stake to be interested in the current DtG.

I'm glad I had the name right for the scouting award. I've at least got my memory of scouts going for me.

I agree with those in this thread that suggest we just bag scouting altogether.

Scouts is fun for some, but making it a cultural requirement that every LDS boy learn how to tie knots, make boondoggle keychains, play with fire, and participate in a Klondike Derby is just silly. Some kids like that stuff, some don't. It has to be one of the oddest things about our LDS culture, the fascination with Boy Scouts and parents earning their kids' Eagle awards.

One of the best decisions I made in my adolescence was to quit scouts, which even then came at least a year after I had become tired of it. I was able to focus on the things I actually enjoyed that helped me develop into who I am today. Truth be told, I can only tie a clove hitch these days...but oddly enough I've never regretted not remembering my knots better. :)

Kudos to those of you passionate about scouting. Not for me. Throw out the whole thing.

This will likely be my first and last contribution to this particular forum. :)

you must have never sailed. suddenly knots became relevant again.