Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 238702)

You mean like Americans didn't want us to get involved in the Battle of Britain?

Originally Posted by myboynoah (Post 238734)

I saw it and passed, but thank you. I don't see the point of this:

Anyone: Look how Obama has flipped on the war.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.
Anyone: But wait, he ran to the far left during the primary promising a 16 month withdrawal timetable.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.
Anyone: It's basically the Bush policy, without telling the insurgents/terrorists when we will leave.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.
Anybody: Okay, I get it, Obama is sinless.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.
Anybody: I can't wait for football season to begin.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.
Anybody: I'm going home now.
Cali: No, he's saying basically what he has said all along. He's showing real leadership by being flexible.

Then Tex cuts in and he and Cali dance the night away.

Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 238514)

Is this article supposed to be inconsistent with Packer's? Because it's not. Have the Iraqis said, "Great idea Obama, be totally gone from here in 16 months come what may. Start ratcheting down monthly starting January 09."

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 244582)

Yup.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...566841,00.html

Originally Posted by Tex (Post 238699)

You're skewing the polls, as usual. It's true the majority in current polls indicate that the war is unpopular, and that think it was a mistake. The picture on withdrawal is far less clear ... people are not so eager to leave if they think it represents an American loss.

The best characterization of public opinion of the war is that Americans are conflicted.

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 244627)

Okay, I so swore I would not post on politics but I can't help it.

1. if you look beyond the headlines, there are pretty good indications that "the tide has turned" storyline is pretty much a ruse.
2. Even so, I do think, and I believe Seattle and I have discussed this in the past, that Obama backed himself in a corner early on by assuming that the state of Iraq in 2006 would remain the state of Iraq through 2008, and by providing too many specifics, guarantees, deadlines, promises, etc in his proposals for the war. If Obama is elected, Iraq will be come his "no new taxes."
3. Fifteen months later, Tex is still trolling for Cali regarding Obama. That's what I call persistence.

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 244629)

Cali is an easy trolling target, as he worships Obama. He should be trolled.

Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 244586)

Because the U.S. is winning now. It's all consistent.