I imagine there will always be exceptions. I recall the CES Fireside where Elder Oaks said he often receives letters like, "Thou shalt not kill is a commandment, but the D&C says to obey the laws of the land and now those laws are drafting me into war, what do I do?"

I wonder if this issue is the Orson Hyde "test" prophesy, which was later quoted by Presidents Young, Kimball, Benson, and Hinckley. (Paraphrasing) "there is a test coming in the last days, a real test, and half of church membership will fall away."

If the test to separate the wheat from the chaff is whether some children should be barred from the church?

Hooray, God. <glum>

Too bad it was leaked from the CHOI instead of being framed in a press release.

If they didn't think this was going to see the light of day, then they are naive.

Church's policies on gays seem really haphazard.

Gay boy scouts, OK.

Gay scout leaders? (Throw a fit!) We're not in session.

Fine OK, gay scout leaders OK.


We'll extend anti-discrimination laws to gays in housing and employment. (Media happy).

Kim Davis, do your job and give gays marriage licenses (media happy).

Gay married couples are apostate, gay children can't get baptized.

On BCC, I've heard this described as whiplash.

For the past many general conferences there has been a common theme to follow the prophet. As they always do, the Brethren prepare us for many upcoming events, including that prophesied great division commonly known as the division of the wheat from the tares (D&C 86:1-7).

"After a time the Church as established by the Lord fell into spiritual decay. His teachings were altered; His ordinances were changed. The Great Apostasy came as had been foretold by Paul, who knew that the Lord would not come again “except there come a falling away first.” (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

This Great Apostasy followed the pattern that had ended each previous dispensation. The very first was in the time of Adam. Then came dispensations of Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others. Each prophet had a divine commission to teach of the divinity and the doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ. In each age these teachings were meant to help the people. But their disobedience resulted in apostasy. Thus, all previous dispensations were limited in time and location. They were limited in time because each ended in apostasy. They were limited in location to a relatively small segment of planet earth."

The Gathering of Scattered Israel
President Russell M. Nelson

ute4ever, you are old and aged before your time. You do not connect with those younger than you.

The Church is killing itself with young adults, Millennials and women.

Now, like it or not, the LDS Church stands for misogyny and gay hatred. Not only that, the Church stands for dividing families.

Not what the Church wanted to be known for.

Archaea, you make it sound like the church is in the wrong for not bowing before the whiny entitlement generation. The church is for gathering in the elect, not for being popular.

Waters, you mentioned Elder Christofferson's excommunicated, homosexual brother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEEMyc6aZms