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When my buddy got married in the early 80's, his bishop told the new couple "Remember: in this church we don't practice birth control, we practice self-control." His FIL (another bishop) told them that the bishop was nuts. |
That bishop was teaching false-doctrine. He was giving his opinion as doctrine.
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Especially the get married and have kids as fast as you could. |
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Compare this dispensation to those prior.....we have telephones, internet, space travel (and songs about intergalactic space travel), cars, indoor plumbing, and Hooters. I have a feeling that Mormon would have been stoked to have a PC or Mac instead of wasting hours on end carving up metal plates to jot down a few thoughts. All these things are being used to spread the Gospel more efficiently and expediently. If your contention is that, due to the lack of walking on water or snake charming, we are under condemnation as a Church, then perhaps you are making a very brilliant point that nobody else seems to grasp. But I wonder what purpose water walking would serve in today's society? To you, I say, that when you are discouraged thinking all is lost, count your many blessings and it will surprise you what the Lord has done. |
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I do not knock what the Brethern say in conference. I do however knock those who do not just accept the advice for themselves, but then pass it along as doctrine rather than opinion to others. |
The thing I think is so interesting about this thread is that neither Adam, nor I nor anyone else has remotely insinuated that the paucity of miracles is evidence that the church isn't true or that the power to perform miracles doesn't exist within the church. Rather, the idea that is at least being talked about is that perhaps we are under some condemnation as a people and need to live the gospel better to have that condemnation removed.
The responses to this, however, don't even seem to admit this possibility. If someone had said "and therefore the church isn't true" I could understand why many would say "that isn't one of the possibilities in my mind." But that isn't what is being said. That some would, at least apparently, say that it is not possible that we are under condemnation or that we need to be more righteous shows me that they are committed to a world view were all is well and right rather than being committed to any particular ideology or teaching. I think I have said that Adam has been a bit off the deep end on somethings lately, but in this case it seems to to me that he is doing no more than likening the scriptures to himself which is what we are taught to do. This brings the charge of a vain love affair with intellect. This seems to make his point that for some that anything they haven't heard over the pulpit cannot be. So at the end of the day, the answer to the question for many is that the question is moot. You can't ask whether we have gone astray at all because it isn't possible. I wonder if there were Nephites and Lamanites who thought the same thing. |
I have personally witnessed numerous miracles, as well as having those miracles confirmed as such by the spirit.
I will NOT share specifics on ANY of these miracles on this forum. As I understand it, we are to NOT share personal experiences of the spirit unless directed to by the spirit. Lastly, I have heard General Authority talks in which they have described miracles either witnessed or performed. Adam, to claim these either a) aren't miracles, or b) don't happen, simply demonstrates your arrogance and marginalizes your opinion. |
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Perhaps two hundred years from now Saints will be asking how come we don't have miracles like TV, the internet, BYU football and all those miracles the saints in the late 1900's and early 2000's got. Are we not as righteous as they were. |
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I think, to most of us, the thing that is irritating about Adam's posts is the arrogance to assume that the events we all consider to be miracles are not, and to marginalize the experiences that we've had. In other words, how can we, who believe we've witnessed miracles, believe that we're under "condemnation", when we've witnessed those miracles? |
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