What is your annual gross income? (just you, not couple)

[MikeWaters]

poll

We had to go there, didn't we.

[BYU71]

If a bunch of people answer, I will. If I answer first people will accuse me of looking for the opportunity to brag.

[ute4ever]

Does this include treasures in heaven? Because I've been told some really cute things.

[Tex]

What if someone has no income, but is not a student? Does state welfare count as income?

[TripletDaddy]

Since Viper started doing my taxes, I have no income.

Everything flows through my Schedule D and E and I am operating at break even thanks to all my business losses.

[landpoke]

I guess those making less than 45k are too busy mucking about in shameful poverty to speak up. Believe me, it's ok if you're poor. It doesn't mean you're not a man, just less of one.

[Indy Coug]

Looking at the results, it's obvious we have a lot of lawyers on this board.

[marsupial]

I will admit that I am the one who makes less than 30K a year (but more than zero). That is just MY income though.

[TripletDaddy]

Looking at the results, it's obvious we have a lot of lawyers on this board.

I was going to say the same thing, except to note that we have a lot of people who received liberal arts degrees.

[TripletDaddy]

I will admit that I am the one who makes less than 30K a year (but more than zero). That is just MY income though.

30K? That is a pretty pricey newsletter!

[Indy Coug]

30K? That is a pretty pricey newsletter!

HB Arnett is a multi-millionaire.

[bluegoose]

HB Arnett is a multi-millionaire.

Just from the newsletter?

[TripletDaddy]

HB Arnett is a multi-millionaire.

In our ward, the RS newsletter is called The Sego Lily Gazette.

It is free.

[landpoke]

I will admit that I am the one who makes less than 30K a year (but more than zero). That is just MY income though.

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're a woman. So it's ok.

[Indy Coug]

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're a woman. So it's ok.

But her male equivalent is making $100K.

[landpoke]

But her male equivalent is making $100K.

Are you questioning The Free Market?

[Indy Coug]

Are you questioning The Free Market?

No, but I was about to provide the worksheet provided by Nancy Pelosi's staff. Can writing summaries of Judge Judy episodes be considered "legal work"?

[SeattleUte]

Indy, I understand that actuaries need more schooling than Jesuits and that it takes a rare personality to pursue the field, somewhat like morticians. I hope they pay you a lot.

[marsupial]

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're a woman. So it's ok.

It's OK, not because I am a woman, but because I am no longer the primary source of our income. I do a little contract work on the side from home.

[Indy Coug]

Indy, I understand that actuaries need more schooling than Jesuits and that it takes a rare personality to pursue the field, somewhat like morticians. I hope they pay you a lot.

More schooling than Jesuits? OK, I'll plead ignorance on that analogy. You only need a 4 year degree, but then the actuarial exams typically take at least 7 years to complete. Actuarial exams are all self-directed study. No classes or anything like that.

My last exam covered 2,400 pages of material. Six hour essay exam. That's only one out of 10 exams though.

[Indy Coug]

It's OK, not because I am a woman, but because I am no longer the primary source of our income. I do a little contract work on the side from home.

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to make fun of you.

[marsupial]

30K? That is a pretty pricey newsletter!

Less than. Less than. Of course, if I worked 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year on that newsletter, my gross would be considerably more than danimal's. He'll surpass that though in the next couple of years.

[landpoke]

It's OK, not because I am a woman, but because I am no longer the primary source of our income. I do a little contract work on the side from home.

I was referencing the "less of a man" aspect of my post, but I also understand your point.

[RC Vikings]

Indy, I understand that actuaries need more schooling than Jesuits and that it takes a rare personality to pursue the field, somewhat like morticians. I hope they pay you a lot.

Compensation

Salaries and Benefits

Actuaries are well compensated. Experienced Fellows have the potential to earn from $150,000 to $250,000 annually. In fact, did you know that new Associate actuaries earned a higher salary than the average MBA in 2002?
Compensation may vary significantly according to years of experience, industry, geographic region, and responsibilities. For example, an actuary with a Fellowship designation working as a financial manager in the banking industry could earn a higher salary than another Fellow working in the health insurance industry.

[MikeWaters]

I think this poll, if complete, honest, and representative of the posters here indicates that the average poster is likely more affluent than the avg. American.

I wonder if CG is more affluent than CB.

[jay santos]

Based on the way people talk about their jobs here, I would expect more in the >150K range. I guess we have a lot of big talkers. I'm shocked.

[Indy Coug]

Compensation

Salaries and Benefits

Actuaries are well compensated. Experienced Fellows have the potential to earn from $150,000 to $250,000 annually. In fact, did you know that new Associate actuaries earned a higher salary than the average MBA in 2002?
Compensation may vary significantly according to years of experience, industry, geographic region, and responsibilities. For example, an actuary with a Fellowship designation working as a financial manager in the banking industry could earn a higher salary than another Fellow working in the health insurance industry.

The salary ceiling for a consulting actuary is much higher than someone working in a "traditional role".

< 5% of all actuaries make $200K+

[creekster]

Based on the way people talk about their jobs here, I would expect more in the >150K range. I guess we have a lot of big talkers. I'm shocked.

Or a lot of non-voters.

[RC Vikings]

I wonder if CG is more affluent than CB.

Since 90% of them are living in their moms basement playing video games and looking up porn I would guess yes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Interesting poll. I can't help but wonder how much more money we could all make if we didn't spend so much time farting around on the internet.

[BigFatMeanie]

Interesting poll. I can't help but wonder how much more money we could all make if we didn't spend so much time farting around on the internet.

I could make more money if I worked harder - I just don't want to work that hard.

[FarrahWaters]

I will admit that I am the one who makes less than 30K a year (but more than zero). That is just MY income though.

I'm right up there (or down there?) with you, Mars

[Archaea]

When is Seattle voting? And 71? We have nobody tabbing the highest level?

Creekster, you've not voted either.

[SeattleUte]

I think this poll, if complete, honest, and representative of the posters here indicates that the average poster is likely more affluent than the avg. American.

I wonder if CG is more affluent than CB.

The average income here might be in the top 5 to 10 percent of America. I know you were engaging understatement.

No doubt it's higher here than CB.
It's well know that this forum is demonstrably more intelligent and learned than CB.

[TripletDaddy]

When is Seattle voting? And 71? We have nobody tabbing the highest level?

Creekster, you've not voted either.

The fact that you can see who has voted is precisely why I am not voting.

PS Who is taking down the 300K+ per? dish.

[creekster]

When is Seattle voting? And 71? We have nobody tabbing the highest level?

Creekster, you've not voted either.

I had a bad year last year and prefer not to advertise it, thanks.

[TripletDaddy]

The average income here might be in the top 5 to 10 percent of America. I know you were engaging understatement.

No doubt it's higher here than CB.
It's well know that this forum is demonstrably more intelligent and learned than CB.

To say that that the average income here is "probably" higher than the average American's income is ClouSeaU grade dectective work.

As a college sports board, this site draws (mostly) alumni from a private university and its in-state public rival. Most people here will have college degrees, advanced degrees, and a full-time job. Of course the average income here will be higher than a generic cross-section of middle America.

[Archaea]

I had a bad year last year and prefer not to advertise it, thanks.


Should I just tab 700K plus for you? We'll mark you, Seattle and DDD in the highest category, since you're all too shy.

[TripletDaddy]

Should I just tab 700K plus for you? We'll mark you, Seattle and DDD in the highest category, since you're all too shy.

I am definitely not in the highest category, even with votes cast as is.

I have a feeling creekster is sandbagging it. I offered to take him to dinner at Vic Stewarts if I were ever in the Creek. Instead of responding with a polite refusal and an in-kind offer, he quickly accepted the freebie.

Only an eccentric and rich SOB would do to that.

cr33k5t3r.

[Archaea]

I am definitely not in the highest category, even with votes cast as is.

I have a feeling creekster is sandbagging it. I offered to take him to dinner at Vic Stewarts if I were ever in the Creek. Instead of responding with a polite refusal and an in-kind offer, he quickly accepted the freebie.

Only an eccentric and rich SOB would do to that.

cr33k5t3r.

Creekster is extremely wealthy but he does not approach the wealth of Seattle, 71, Pac or you. And especially not Mr. big bucks real estate guy. I forget his name. Viper or something like that.

You're just as much a sandbagger as the rest of you rich Republicans while the rest of working folk slave away for a few pennies supporting your asses.

[creekster]

Only an eccentric and rich SOB would do to that.

cr33k5t3r.

Would you take 2 out of 3?

I am still willing to take you up on it, btw.

[MikeWaters]

I am definitely not in the highest category, even with votes cast as is.

I have a feeling creekster is sandbagging it. I offered to take him to dinner at Vic Stewarts if I were ever in the Creek. Instead of responding with a polite refusal and an in-kind offer, he quickly accepted the freebie.

Only an eccentric and rich SOB would do to that.

cr33k5t3r.

dang, I'm still waiting for my hotdog from BYU71.

[Archaea]

Would you take 2 out of 3?

I am still willing to take you up on it, btw.

You're correct, you're not eccentric.

BTW, if DDD is buying may I tag along? Any time I can save a buck, my wife says I should as we seem to be short a few bucks.

[creekster]

you're not eccentric.



Nice try but incorrect. You should poll the audience.

[Surfah]

I graduated from college 4 years ago. I did not earn enough money last year to obtain a stimulus check.

[MikeWaters]

I graduated from college 4 years ago. I did not earn enough money last year to obtain a stimulus check.

are you saying you made less than 3,000? Surely because you are putting all your money into your business.

[TripletDaddy]

Would you take 2 out of 3?

I am still willing to take you up on it, btw.

2 out of the 3? Which one does not describe you? Rich, eccentric, or Son of a Bunopithecus sericus?

The offer still stands, btw.

[TripletDaddy]

You're correct, you're not eccentric.

BTW, if DDD is buying may I tag along? Any time I can save a buck, my wife says I should as we seem to be short a few bucks.

You are welcome to join, also. But before I pay, you need to prove your alleged fitness by engaging in a rigorous and amazing display of calisthenics, wind sprints, and stretching in the parking lot of Vic's.

[SeattleUte]

You are welcome to join, also. But before I pay, you need to prove your alleged fitness by engaging in a rigorous and amazing display of calisthenics, wind sprints, and stretching in the parking lot of Vic's.

I see you're a surfer dude. Speaks volumes. Do you know Ultimate Ute?

[TripletDaddy]

Creekster is extremely wealthy but he does not approach the wealth of Seattle, 71, Pac or you. And especially not Mr. big bucks real estate guy. I forget his name. Viper or something like that.

You're just as much a sandbagger as the rest of you rich Republicans while the rest of working folk slave away for a few pennies supporting your asses.

If I am sandbagging, it is news to me. The last I checked, I live in a 3-bedroom townhome with no yard.

I would tend to believe you about SU, though, given his penchant for high profile pro bono work (almost always a lawyer's precursor into politics and elected office).

I am also positive that Creekster is loaded because I remember in a previous thread that he was bragging about owning 3 bikes.

[TripletDaddy]

I see you're a surfer dude. Speaks volumes. Do you know Ultimate Ute?

I thought you were the ultimate Ute?

[il Padrino Ute]

SU is having a difficult time coming to grips that a surfer is able to get under his skin so easily.

[creekster]

2 out of the 3? Which one does not describe you? Rich, eccentric, or Son of a Bunopithecus sericus?

The offer still stands, btw.

I am most certainly not rich. I live by this motto:

WHta's cheap is good, what's free is best, take those two and forget the rest.

[SeattleUte]

SU is having a difficult time coming to grips that a surfer is able to get under his skin so easily.

I own Surfer Dude. Own him.

[il Padrino Ute]

I own Surfer Dude. Own him.

You think?

[Archaea]

If I am sandbagging, it is news to me. The last I checked, I live in a 3-bedroom townhome with no yard.

I would tend to believe you about SU, though, given his penchant for high profile pro bono work (almost always a lawyer's precursor into politics and elected office).

I am also positive that Creekster is loaded because I remember in a previous thread that he was bragging about owning 3 bikes.

He sends his children to expensive colleges and goes to New Zealand and Kauai for vacations. He lives in the Creek, and travels the world. He owes no debt and works for world famous corporations.

SU is wealthy beyond imagination. You must pay just to enter into his walled off residence.

PAC being part of Silicon Valley and many Taiwanese fortunes would cast a shadow upon everybody but Seattle. PAC is even considered one of the top corporate lawyers of California, and has toured Europe on exclusive bases with top notch talent. PAC rubs shoulders with the rich and aristocracy of the Church, knowing him is almost like knowing a famous GA. Kip has real money, he picked the right parents and inherited.

A prof once gave the true guides to wealth, you marry it, in which you pay for it, you pick the right parents, or you go public. He was my Securities professor.

Again, I beg for free food and catch a free ride whenever I can. There is no shame in poverty but gratis is a word which we all appreciate.

[YOhio]

I'm in a pretty good position myself. I dropped FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS last Saturday at Lowe's buying pavers (red perfect edge), mulch, and other landscaping accessories. Cold Hard Cash.

Yeah, I didn't want to brag but it's good for you guys to know your place.

[BYU71]

I will not be participating in the poll. I know someone has the ability to see what I put down as income. I can't be sure that the myth I have built up about how rich I am wouldn't be exposed for the world to see.

I thought about lying, but I prefer whores and harlots to liars so I couldn't bring myself to do so.

[FMCoug]

in the middle class. Perhaps upper middle class. But the vast majority fall in the 60-149K range. Regardless of what some may think, that is not "rich".

[Indy Coug]

I'm in a pretty good position myself. I dropped FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS last Saturday at Lowe's buying pavers (red perfect edge), mulch, and other landscaping accessories. Cold Hard Cash.

Yeah, I didn't want to brag but it's good for you guys to know your place.

Cash? That is so 20th century. Embrace the future.

[PaloAltoCougar]

PAC being part of Silicon Valley and many Taiwanese fortunes would cast a shadow upon everybody but Seattle. PAC is even considered one of the top corporate lawyers of California, and has toured Europe on exclusive bases with top notch talent. PAC rubs shoulders with the rich and aristocracy of the Church, knowing him is almost like knowing a famous GA.

Wrong on so many levels, even moreso now that I've taken a serious blow on the real estate front. When I'm not out chasing ambulances, I spend my days dreaming of a lifestyle that would allow me to train for hours on end, participate in far-flung athletic events, and translate correspondence between ancient philosophers and '50s recording artists from the original Greek, Latin and Coptic.

[FMCoug]

Cash? That is so 20th century. Embrace the future.

No kidding. I bought a Coke yesterday with my debit card. I think the total was like 1.48 or something like that.

[Indy Coug]

The only time you should want cash in a transaction anymore is if you're in the middle of some sort of tax dodge.

[SeattleUte]

Wrong on so many levels, even moreso now that I've taken a serious blow on the real estate front. When I'm not out chasing ambulances, I spend my days dreaming of a lifestyle that would allow me to train for hours on end, participate in far-flung athletic events, and translate correspondence between ancient philosophers and '50s recording artists from the original Greek, Latin and Coptic.

I have a theory that Arch is a trust fund kid and maintains a law office for appearances. Arch, you don't have to respond.

[Archaea]

I have a theory that Arch is a trust fund kid and maintains a law office for appearances. Arch, you don't have to respond.

If I had a trust fund, would I bother having a law office?

No I'd be triathloning full time, and doing what the rich and famous do. I'm a wage slave like everybody else. However, if my family members were less of spendthrifts retirement might be more a reality than a chimera.

[Surfah]

are you saying you made less than 3,000? Surely because you are putting all your money into your business.

That would be correct. I actually went 17 months without a paycheck. I don't recommend it to anyone.

[MikeWaters]

That would be correct. I actually went 17 months without a paycheck. I don't recommend it to anyone.

I hope you will invite me on your houseboat in a few years. And your yacht as well.

[Surfah]

I hope you will invite me on your houseboat in a few years. And your yacht as well.

I am hoping when this project is complete I can break even after paying off my revolving debt.